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No more Saturday morning cartoons.

I think cartoons are delineated for children in the US just out of habit. Nobody has set a creative precedent for adult oriented cartoons the way they have in Japan or France. There's no American Waltz With Bashir. We need a few of those before people start expecting animation to be meant for adults.
 
From the earliest days of animation, cartoons were shown in movie theaters and meant to entertain audiences of all ages. Look at some of the Fleischer Brothers' cartoons from the early 1930s, especially the early Betty Boops. Those were definitely not made just for children!

Even the writing in those cartoons was better, and everyone knew that cartoons were ways to get things out that could not be done in the real world. How many times did a cartoon character run off a cliff for 4 or 5 seconds before realizing they were running on thin air? (Or look at what the "Flintstones & Jetson's" did and they were created for Prime Time, with only being called kids cartoons during their re-run years.). Today's cartoons seem so concerned with making sure the characters don't break the laws of reality that they hardly qualify as cartoons.
 
Today's cartoons seem so concerned with making sure the characters don't break the laws of reality that they hardly qualify as cartoons.

Yeah. I remember a Simpsons episode some years back where Homer bounced head over heels down a hill, and a big deal was made by some media outlet about how he could not survive that in real life.

Well, duh! :confused:

Oops, I mean DOH! :p
 
If Walt Disney had animated a Shakespeare play or western epic when he first started out, animation would be treated like what it is, a technique that can be used to tell any kind of story for any kind of audience. But instead he started with a whistling mouse on a steamboat and Grimm's fairy tales, and the animators that came after him followed suit, so that the impression was implanted in the collective American conscious that cartoons are for kids and adults can dabble every once in a while. Saturday Morning is a symptom of that mindset. Getting rid of it doesn't change anything.
From the earliest days of animation, cartoons were shown in movie theaters and meant to entertain audiences of all ages. Look at some of the Fleischer Brothers' cartoons from the early 1930s, especially the early Betty Boops. Those were definitely not made just for children!

Rather than a symptom, I'd say that Saturday morning is the cause of the attitude that cartoons are "just for kids."

(And Disney didn't start with Mickey Mouse. The first cartoons he personally produced, directed and animated were the Alice Comedies, a series that blended animation and live action.)

THIS (and thanks for the historical heads-up about the Alice comedies, I'd forgotten about those.)
 
If Walt Disney had animated a Shakespeare play or western epic when he first started out, animation would be treated like what it is, a technique that can be used to tell any kind of story for any kind of audience. But instead he started with a whistling mouse on a steamboat and Grimm's fairy tales, and the animators that came after him followed suit, so that the impression was implanted in the collective American conscious that cartoons are for kids and adults can dabble every once in a while. Saturday Morning is a symptom of that mindset. Getting rid of it doesn't change anything.
From the earliest days of animation, cartoons were shown in movie theaters and meant to entertain audiences of all ages. Look at some of the Fleischer Brothers' cartoons from the early 1930s, especially the early Betty Boops. Those were definitely not made just for children!

I have seen them. None of them were expressly "adult" either. The Tex Avery cartoons come the closest.

But this doesn't change my argument. The phrase "for all ages" has always been an advertising slogan, one that doesn't do anything to specifically define the content. Historically, entertainment "for all ages" has really meant "lots of stuff kids like and nothing their parents would object to them seeing." This is a mindset that started with Sunday Comics, carnivals, circuses, etc., which existed long before movies and animation became mainstream features in american culture. The advent of animation just reinforced it.

Rather than a symptom, I'd say that Saturday morning is the cause of the attitude that cartoons are "just for kids."

And again, it's a symptom. Setting aside a block of airtime on one day to show kids stuff for kids is simply an outgrowth of an old sentiment in this society.

(And Disney didn't start with Mickey Mouse. The first cartoons he personally produced, directed and animated were the Alice Comedies, a series that blended animation and live action.)

But he built his empire on a whistling mouse and fairy tales. Kids stuff. And he was a pioneer in America's animation industry.
 
Cartoons used to be cool, with like effort put into the art and voice acting. Sat morning and 12-4 were so great when I was little. Too many now look like a 5 year old put them together on an etch-a-sketch.

I'm sorry, but what you just said is shit in itself-there have been many great cartoons of the 90's and 2000's, and I`ve got the list right here:

Batman: The Animated Series

Batman Beyond

The Zeta Project

Superman: The Animated Series

The X-Men

Gargoyles

Eek! And The Terrible Thunderlizards

Kim Possible

Family Guy

Duck Dodgers

Delilah & Julius

X-Men: Evolution

Justice League

Justice League Unlimited

Ben 10

The Mummy: Secrets Of The Medjai

Jackie Chan Adventures

Godzilla

Big Guy & Rusty

Men In Black

The Batman

Fillmore!

Teen Titans

Legion Of Superheroes

Code Lyoko

ReBoot

Transformers: Beast Wars (Beasties)

Max Steel

Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles

Nighthood (Aresene Lupin)

Blake & Mortimer

Spider-Man (CGI version)

Daria

Megas XLR

Spy Groove

Kablam!

Danny Phantom

Road Rovers

Brats Of The Lost Nebula

Animainiacs

Tiny Toon Adventures

Pinky & The Brain

Detention!

Hysteria!

Cybersix

Spider Riders

Magi-Nation

Spectacular Spider-Man

Earthworm Jim

Freakazoid!

Xiaolin Showdown

The Batman

Samurai Jack

The Powerpuff Girls

The Legend of Calamity Jane

Krypto the Superdog

G.I. JOE-Sigma 6

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003-2009 show)

Transformers: Cybertron

Invasion America

Kasai & Luk

The Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries

Flash Gordon

Tom and Jerry Tales

What`s New, Scooby-Doo

Iron Man: Animated Adventures

The Replacements

Storm Hawks

Da Boom Crew

Delilah & Julius

The New Batman/Superman Adventures

Codename: Kids Next Door

Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends

¡Mucha Lucha!

Alienators

Loonatics Unleashed


These are (yes, okay, to me) the best shows of the past two decades that aired on what was Saturday morning TV (many others think so too, and they have a lot of fans as well.)
 
Cartoons used to be cool, with like effort put into the art and voice acting. Sat morning and 12-4 were so great when I was little. Too many now look like a 5 year old put them together on an etch-a-sketch.

I'm sorry, but what you just said is shit in itself-there have been many great cartoons of the 90's and 2000's, and I`ve got the list right here:

Batman: The Animated Series

Batman Beyond

The Zeta Project

Superman: The Animated Series

The X-Men

Gargoyles

Eek! And The Terrible Thunderlizards

Kim Possible

Family Guy

Duck Dodgers

Delilah & Julius

X-Men: Evolution

Justice League

Justice League Unlimited

Ben 10

The Mummy: Secrets Of The Medjai

Jackie Chan Adventures

Godzilla

Big Guy & Rusty

Men In Black

The Batman

Fillmore!

Teen Titans

Legion Of Superheroes

Code Lyoko

ReBoot

Transformers: Beast Wars (Beasties)

Max Steel

Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles

Nighthood (Aresene Lupin)

Blake & Mortimer

Spider-Man (CGI version)

Daria

Megas XLR

Spy Groove

Kablam!

Danny Phantom

Road Rovers

Brats Of The Lost Nebula

Animainiacs

Tiny Toon Adventures

Pinky & The Brain

Detention!

Hysteria!

Cybersix

Spider Riders

Magi-Nation

Spectacular Spider-Man

Earthworm Jim

Freakazoid!

Xiaolin Showdown

The Batman

Samurai Jack

The Powerpuff Girls

The Legend of Calamity Jane

Krypto the Superdog

G.I. JOE-Sigma 6

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003-2009 show)

Transformers: Cybertron

Invasion America

Kasai & Luk

The Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries

Flash Gordon

Tom and Jerry Tales

What`s New, Scooby-Doo

Iron Man: Animated Adventures

The Replacements

Storm Hawks

Da Boom Crew

Delilah & Julius

The New Batman/Superman Adventures

Codename: Kids Next Door

Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends

¡Mucha Lucha!

Alienators

Loonatics Unleashed


These are (yes, okay, to me) the best shows of the past two decades that aired on what was Saturday morning TV (many others think so too, and they have a lot of fans as well.)

Not all those shows aired on Saturday mornings.
 
Histeria! was a show I watched on weekday mornings when Kids WB had a weekday morning block. It helped me through Western Civilization when I was in college!

I got addicted to the Kids WB block and followed the CW until it ended. Last Saturday morning, I felt somewhat lost and worry what will happen when The Hub becomes Discovery Kids. Uncle Grandpa sucks! Cartoon Network's become fart humor!
ETA: Thankfully, my Saturday nights are good. Yay, Toonami and... Boondocks. :alienblush:
 
I just remembered Bonkers.

Bonkers was meta in the way Community is meta. It was a cartoon, but some of the characters in the cartoon were humans and some of them were cartoon characters inside the cartoon. They were aware they were cartoons and they were aware how the laws of physics applied differently to them than to normal humans.

Retrospectively it was a very weird show.

In the last season they nixed the best character just to replace him with a female character for the sake of having a female character.
 
Is anyone here old enough to remember Beany and Cecil? Those cartoons were so hip that most of the jokes went right over my head when I first saw them at age 8 or 9. Definitely not "kid's stuff," although children could enjoy the whimsical adventures even if they didn't get the topical gags and puns.
 
I remember all those video game shows. Those are in the category of things that seem like the greatest thing in the world when you're 7 but when you watch them as an adult they are just really freaking stupid. :).

Those ones might have been, but I'll bet that a cartoon based on a current video game would make a ton of sense and work quite well (Uncharted, Fallout, Tomb Raider, Gears Of War, inFamous)-I'm surprised that there have been movie adaptations of Tomb Raider, but not any animated cartoons, considering that there are comics books based on it.
 
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^They don't necessarily need to be: Dungeons & Dragons wasn't a comedy, but a great drama/action adventure, and was well plotted. I'm betting that a cartoon based on any of the games I mentioned would be amazing to see and be well written.
 
Ohhh, I have such fond memories of One Saturday Morning. I can still remember when it was introduced, though I liked the format before it, too. Thank the great bird for YouTube, since it hosts so many episodes of various shows. (I have no idea how, though...where are these recordings coming from, digitized VHSes?!) I used to wake up at four or five o'clock to watch the animal shows that came on, and every morning ended with Bugs Bunny and a brunch of biscuits with gravy.
 
I remember Pepper Ann and Recess. I was a young adult at the time and got some of the more adult references. Rather fun.
 
Sigh...Saturday morning cartoons. Might have to watch Garfield and Friends tonight to get a nostalgia kick.
 
I remember Pepper Ann and Recess. I was a young adult at the time and got some of the more adult references. Rather fun.

Pepper Ann, Pepper Ann, she's too cool for 7th grade
Pepper Ann, she's like one in a MILLION!

Anyone remember that talking yearbook short -- something like "Mrs. Munger's Class"?

Hah, Mrs. Munger's class:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmHEbOC16X4

The best was "Doug", though, whether Nickelodeon or Disney's brand spankin' new Doug.
 
Sigh...Saturday morning cartoons. Might have to watch Garfield and Friends tonight to get a nostalgia kick.
Heck yea :). Loved that show as I was growing up. Lorenzo Music ftw! :techman:

I've come across some clips on Youtube and I try to watch them when I can.
 
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