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no more free internet thanks to Google!

According to news reports, Google is about to cut a deal with Verizon that would end the Internet as we know it by allowing giant corporations to control what websites are load quickly and easily on the Internet and dump everyone else onto an Internet slow lane.

I signed a petition urging Google to kill the deal with Verizon. Can you join me at the link below?

http://pol.moveon.org/google/?r_by=22362-17376740-ctt45Ix&rc=confemail

Actually your best bet would be to support the FCC on the issue of Net Neutrality which is what this boils down to.

Though it might be worthwhile reading the following to get at least part of the story given the media's reporting may not off been accurate.

http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2010/08/joint-policy-proposal-for-open-internet.html
 
So, a guy at college was right. A company that has the motto 'do no evil' is actually trying to do evil?
 
I read the Google Policy Blog, and it talks about enforcing Net Neutrality, not taking it away, unless I'm missing something.
 
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about what Google and Verizon are actually discussing. According to this, it's really about implementing QoS (quality of service) standards--prioritizing video over voice, voice over text, etc. There's nothing onerous about that. In fact, it's a standard feature of most commercial network hardware.

Google is flat-out denying that they're trying to get special treatment from Verizon.
 
Thanks to the three of you. I read both links, and I have to say I missed the undercurrent the first time. It's a shame, but Google is a corporation, and I expect them to behave like one, even when I hope they take the high road. Usually they do, this time they didn't.
 
I'm still confused as to why people are bitching about traffic prioritization. That's been going on forever and it's part of smart network administration. Packets that can afford to wait should always be bumped down the ladder in favor of ones that need to get to their destination right now. And that should be determined solely by the type of data that packet carries. Web pages, file transfers, instant messages can all wait a few milliseconds. Streaming video, voice, etc. need to move faster to avoid drops and lag.

The part that pisses me off about this is Verizon getting a loophole for their wireless service. "These principles apply everywhere--except for where they don't, which is on wireless networks." Classy.
 
I'm still confused as to why people are bitching about traffic prioritization. That's been going on forever and it's part of smart network administration. Packets that can afford to wait should always be bumped down the ladder in favor of ones that need to get to their destination right now. And that should be determined solely by the type of data that packet carries. Web pages, file transfers, instant messages can all wait a few milliseconds. Streaming video, voice, etc. need to move faster to avoid drops and lag.

It's more to do with the way it's worded... the "meaningful harm" phrase without a real definition will basically let everyone make up their own rules as to exactly what and how badly a certain type of service will be affected. The proposal also doesn't give the FCC the authority to actually make rules around this... instead they'd only be allowed to enforce what 3rd parties agree to. In many ways, this whole thing gives the appearance of net neutrality while detoothing the FCC at the same time. And quite frankly, I don't believe the industry is capable of the sort of self regulation that this pact seems to suggest.

Then there's of course the whole wireless thing. Everyone is well aware that wireless internet is going to continue to gain importance and eventually became just as important as wired... maybe even more so. This just smacks of trying to wrestle control of it before most people notice how important it's gotten.

What sort of bugs me is all the ire being directed at Google over this. This is a joint thing between Google and Verizon and as far as I'm concerned they both deserve an equal share of the outrage.
 
I'm still confused as to why people are bitching about traffic prioritization. That's been going on forever and it's part of smart network administration. Packets that can afford to wait should always be bumped down the ladder in favor of ones that need to get to their destination right now. And that should be determined solely by the type of data that packet carries. Web pages, file transfers, instant messages can all wait a few milliseconds. Streaming video, voice, etc. need to move faster to avoid drops and lag.

It's more to do with the way it's worded... the "meaningful harm" phrase without a real definition will basically let everyone make up their own rules as to exactly what and how badly a certain type of service will be affected. The proposal also doesn't give the FCC the authority to actually make rules around this... instead they'd only be allowed to enforce what 3rd parties agree to. In many ways, this whole thing gives the appearance of net neutrality while detoothing the FCC at the same time. And quite frankly, I don't believe the industry is capable of the sort of self regulation that this pact seems to suggest.

Then there's of course the whole wireless thing. Everyone is well aware that wireless internet is going to continue to gain importance and eventually became just as important as wired... maybe even more so. This just smacks of trying to wrestle control of it before most people notice how important it's gotten.

What sort of bugs me is all the ire being directed at Google over this. This is a joint thing between Google and Verizon and as far as I'm concerned they both deserve an equal share of the outrage.

Yeah, but Google's getting the boot to the ass because their motto is "don't be evil." They're generally considered the "good guys" when it comes to how the Internet is run. Verizon's a sleazy telecom so everyone just expects them to be assholes.
 
setting up tiers on such a network isn't really a good idea because it segregates people by level of access. hopefully, clearer heads will prevail and block such Google - Verizon project.
 
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about what Google and Verizon are actually discussing. According to this, it's really about implementing QoS (quality of service) standards--prioritizing video over voice, voice over text, etc. There's nothing onerous about that. In fact, it's a standard feature of most commercial network hardware.

Google is flat-out denying that they're trying to get special treatment from Verizon.


Basically that's what i got, Big Corporations want a piece of the fricking internet universe and want to seize control of the beast to better themselves and make everyone pay for internet. Sorry Google it does not work like that.

Internet is just a sharing of computers and information, everyone has the right to choose their internet provider, but if verizion and google do this, they are going to basically monopolize the internet and usage. They will be dictating terms and controls to an already neutral internet.

It is just Big Business putting their nose in where it does not belong. Verizon is just as guilty of this... Shame on them both.


Nathaniel
 
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