No Interference From The Future?

[Pauln6]

The Voyager and Enterprise writers envisioned a single mallable timeline, where the same history is rewritten time and again. The STXI writers envision a multiverse where every change (or rather, every possibility) creates it's own branching timeline. Thus trying to reconcile the time police written for a single reality for a vast multiverse isn't gonna be a perfect fit - if every change creates a new seperate timeline, why bother fixing anything if your fixes will only split reality again into "the universe as it was" and "the universe, fixed"?

This. The two versions of time travel are incompatible. Many worlds theory becomes ridiculously convoluted if you add an infinite number of realities with an infinite number of temporal incursions into the mix, including temporal incursions to branch out from attempts to rectify earlier temporal incursions. The time cops are entirely superfluous if every possible event has its own alternate time stream no matter what they do.

They no longer exist. Blame the Babel Fish.

 

[-Brett-]

The whole point of doing a reboot is so that Star Trek no longer has to be bogged down by tedious, obscure little minutiae like Voyager.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Yeah the only DTI agents who could do anything about it probably would be from the new timeline. Or maybe the prime agency of the future has technology to cross over. We do know that the mirror universe built tech to cross over realities. The DTI would probably only interfere if they believed there was a mega danger to both timelines. Theoretically the prime universe time line would continue on as it would while the JJ time line is the new time line.

 

[ATimson]

The Voyager and Enterprise writers envisioned a single mallable timeline, where the same history is rewritten time and again. The STXI writers envision a multiverse where every change (or rather, every possibility) creates it's own branching timeline.

I'm not convinced that the STXI writers saw it any differently - otherwise, why wouldn't Spock go back to his old timeline?

 

[F. King Daniel]

The Voyager and Enterprise writers envisioned a single mallable timeline, where the same history is rewritten time and again. The STXI writers envision a multiverse where every change (or rather, every possibility) creates it's own branching timeline.

I'm not convinced that the STXI writers saw it any differently - otherwise, why wouldn't Spock go back to his old timeline?

Take a look through the old posts on trekmovie.com - Bob Orci loves multiverse theory. It's also core to Bad Robot's TV series Fringe.

Spock may be unable to get back to his old timeline - but even if he could somehow, he's (indirectly) responsible for the destruction of Vulcan, and I can't imagine him just running away from that. Considering that his Romulus is gone (due to his faliure to stop the supernova in time) and thus his mission of reunification has failed, his priority is now helping to rebuild the Vulcan civilization in this timeline.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ Multiverse theory is something the two of them pushed while promoting the movie for sure. I suppose one of the reasons why Spock couldn't go back was because Nero had captured him and retained use of the Jellyfish while exiling Spock on Delta Vega. There was no way he could go back.

 

[ATimson]

Take a look through the old posts on trekmovie.com - Bob Orci loves multiverse theory. It's also core to Bad Robot's TV series Fringe.

Yes, Fringe has multiple universes. From what I've seen so far (all of S1/S2, part of S3, so this may just be covered by what I need to catch up on), the multiuniverse theory isn't essential - you don't need branching universes, you just need a closely-tied pair. Much like the "normal" Trek universe and the Mirror Universe.

Spock may be unable to get back to his old timeline - but even if he could somehow, he's (indirectly) responsible for the destruction of Vulcan, and I can't imagine him just running away from that. Considering that his Romulus is gone (due to his faliure to stop the supernova in time) and thus his mission of reunification has failed, his priority is now helping to rebuild the Vulcan civilization in this timeline.

If he could get back, I could see him also setting his priority as reunification still; it's perhaps even more essential now. The Romulans don't have anyplace to go; "his" Vulcan would probably be willing to take them in. Quinto's Vulcan has the rest of the Federation to lean on.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ The Romulans share some of the blame themselves. If they did not have such an isolationist and hostile political policy in the first place the Federation would probably be in more of a position to offer immediate aid. The fact is the Romulans put themselves in their own vulnerable spot but isolating themselves from the rest of the galaxy.

 

[ATimson]

^ The Romulans share some of the blame themselves.

I'm not denying that, but I don't think that'd stop Spock from wanting, or even needing, to help.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^Of course not. Spock wanting to help them led to the situation he found himself in later in the movie. Everything that happened in the movie he probably looks at, as his greatest failure. He was unable to stop the nova from destroying Romulus. He was unable to prevent Nero from destroying Vulcan. Helping the refugees is probably a way for him to attune for his mistakes. Remember this is not the first time Spock has felt guilty about something. He remarks to Picard in "Unification Part II" that he takes full blame for what happened to Bones and Kirk during the Gorkon Initiative. He blamed pride I believe.

 

[Pauln6]

Yeah the only DTI agents who could do anything about it probably would be from the new timeline. Or maybe the prime agency of the future has technology to cross over. We do know that the mirror universe built tech to cross over realities. The DTI would probably only interfere if they believed there was a mega danger to both timelines. Theoretically the prime universe time line would continue on as it would while the JJ time line is the new time line.

I think this misses the point. The laws of physics are not mutable. Either you can change the past or you create a new timeline. No single fictional universe can have it both ways unless with the intervention of something like the Guardian of Forever or temporal shielding (but even there that could just be protecting the individuals while their psyches shift into parallel bodies like Worf). The temoporal police never made any sense to me. If we understand time enough to understand parallel universe theory then we must also know that trying to change the past is pointless because the events you are trying to change are meant to happen anyway as part of the infinite number of possibilities out there. Time travellers are just part of the infinite number of factors leading to the different alternate universes.