No Interconnected Trek Universe (Yet)

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  1. Danja

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    Doesn't really matter to me. I never expect Star Trek to be one, giant, interconnected universe. I look at it more like James Bond.

    And I'm much, MUCH happier than most as a result.
     
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    We already have an interconnected Trek universe.

    Good.
     
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    I just saw Discovery Starfleet ships in the Picard-era Short Trek. The Starfleet symbol in Picard has the Discovery split. They're using the same shuttlecraft in Discovery (as every Starfleet shuttle), Short Treks (as a school bus!) and Picard (as JLP's ride)

    They're definitely interconnected, even if they aren't doing a Defenders-style crossover just yet. But give them time.
     
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    Not that connected but obviously in continuity lines up with the theme of the article, but a more on the nose Seven of Nine actually appearing in Picard contradicts it.

    That's pretty connected.
     
  6. Danja

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    It hasn't quite gotten to Marvel's level of "You need to know what happened on this TV show to understand this scene in X movie."

    THAT'S what I was talking about.
     
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  7. F. King Daniel

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    You mean a certain integral season 2 Disco episode not making sense unless you've seen "The Cage" from 55 years ago?
     
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    Something along those lines. (Right down to the dialogue! :eek: )
     
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    I think it's great when it connects, but I don't get mad when it doesn't. I mean...obviously I'd be upset with egregious stuff, like if a show claimed that McCoy died in "For the World Is Hollow" or that Worf was a Romulan. But other than that....I view any continuity as a bonus, not as an expectation or requirement.
     
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    Same.
     
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    Interconnected or not, it doesn't really matter if the material isn't entertaining.
     
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    Except that isn't true. The ep is richer for those who have seen The Cage or The Menagerie, but it still makes sense without them.
     
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    Maybe this belongs in the "Unpopular Opinions" Thread, but I think CBS missed an opportunity in not re-CGI'ing the original Enterprise (at least from the outside) with the DSC Enterprise in the Cage flashback. A zoom into the bridge at the beginning would have looked better, but I guess I know why it wasn't done. The bookend final scene of the zoom out of the bridge was cool.
     
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    That's what the neat retro previously was for. To get us up to speed on what happened in The Cage.
     
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    I don't think that everyone agrees on what the article means.

    I think that some people interpret it as meaning that each of the new Star Trek shows will be in its own separate fictional universe with different continuity.

    I think that other people interpret it as meaning that there won't be many cross overs between the new shows and other s star Trek productions in the first few seasons and only few mentions of persons, places things, and events from other Star Trek productions.

    And there is a large difference between those two interpretations.
     
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    That's true for If Memory Serves...

    I think having seen The Menagerie puts a whole new spin on Through the Valley of Shadows that you would not otherwise get. Sure you can probably watch it without knowing the events of The Menagerie, but if you do know them, it changes the ending.
     
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    I'm at the point where thinking that way actually would help. I'll give it another go in a few years...

    TNG was unique in that there's an 80 or 100 year time differential. It allows continuity without getting pedantic, but by and large keeping the same rules TOS put in and evolving on them. The sequels did have occasional imperfections, some bad and some not that much of concern. But prequels... ENT and Star Wars definitely fumbled... especially when you know what happens at the end. DSC was trying to be epic and big with past details for characters (in a way it's fascinating and even laudable) but it's always risky, but regardless of how they're told they can still fit into continuity well enough... and if anyone manages to watch them in in-universe chronological order they will probably find more to appreciate with these epic ideas than those of us who started with chapter 4 because chapters 1-3 wouldn't be out for a few decades. Unless they ask in the future "How come ____ has vanished?" But that fits into how Tholians vanished or transwarp or any number of other things... either which direction one approaches the franchise in, it's legitimately par for the course.