What would have been the consequences for Battlestar Galactica if there were no Final Five? If there were only eight cylon models?
No Final Five (BSG)
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The show wouldn't have eaten itself alive that last season? 
It would have been a lot less pretentious.
Right. They have come right out and said that there never really was "a plan".
Well, if the final five weren't a thing, there'd have been twelve cylon models, just no secret ones. They'd all have been walking around. Twelve is a more symbolic number than seven or eight in the show, no way they would have changed the total number of models.
Without the Final Five they could have focused more on the Cylon civil war and the 2/3/6/8s trying to gain the trust of the humans. That story could have had more time to breathe and it might have worked better.
Without the Final Five they could have focused more on the Cylon civil war and the 2/3/6/8s trying to gain the trust of the humans. That story could have had more time to breathe and it might have worked better.
The Cavils caused everything starting from the point that they removed the memories of Final Five. But the Final Five created the seven familiar models of human form cylons and IIRC are the reason they surrendered in the first war.
The Tighs wouldn't have had an even more interesting character arc.
It's downright shown in detail in BSG The Plan. The Cylons left after encountering the Final Five from Earth, they went their own way and the Final Five created the skinjob Cylons. Cavil was the first and grew to resent it and their love of humanity ironically because he was made too human and displayed the worst traits of humanity. He was particularly angry at Ellen TIgh, killed her favorite of the eight models and wiped out his entire line. He then killed the Final Five and resurrected them with false memories on the colonies and planned to wipe out humanity to show them that Cylons were superior. He positioned copies of himself near the Final Five to sort of rub it in and push them to realize he's right, but they all devoted themselves to saving the survivors. He also began to have issues with the other models who were beginning to go native as it were, some falling in love with humans and refusing to harm them. One Cavil realized they were wrong, but the rest voted him down and erased his memories as well. From there on, Cavil just attempted to torture humanity and the Final Five as much as possible while the other Cylons began to doubt him, leading to the civil war. Cavil's plan probably would have worked if he weren't such an asshole.
The irony of The Plan is it turned out there wasn’t a real plan. The cylons aboard the fleet kind of plotted as their individual attacks got foiled or they fell in love with humans and felt bad about it so they sabotaged themselves. The 4 spaced himself so he wouldn’t have to kill his girlfriend.
It also seemed that ‘God’ was maneuvering them to connect with their empathy and desire to feel love to make them question Cavil’s plan.
It also seemed that ‘God’ was maneuvering them to connect with their empathy and desire to feel love to make them question Cavil’s plan.
RDM ATMITTED that the line "And They Have A Plan..." was only added to the opening credits because it sounded cool. They (he and the other producers/writers involved) had no over-arching plan for the series. They TRIED to cobble some sort of cohesive narrative AFTER they saw nuBSG fans pointing to the "They have a plan.." bit, and RDM started feeling a bit guilty about the situation.
Oh, I know they didn't, I was talking from a purely in universe perspective.
The producers should never say they have a plan if they really don't. When it turns out they don't have one many fans can really turn on a show.
FYI, Tricia Helfer is now co-hosting a Battlestar Galactica podcast called Battlestar Galacticast . it just started last week. And it was really interesting..
FYI, Tricia Helfer is now co-hosting a Battlestar Galactica podcast called Battlestar Galacticast . it just started last week. And it was really interesting..
or the cylons remembered that no military plan survives that first encounter with the enemy.
Or if Cavil had tweaked Ellen's or Saul's biography just a little more. The Galactica only survived the token Raider squadron sent to scuttle it because Starbuck was able to shoot down most of the Cylon missiles. Starbuck was only around because she'd taunted Saul about Ellen cheating on him and got thrown into the brig. If Kara hadn't had that to needle him about, or Saul hadn't started a fight over it, she would've been blown up with the rest of Galactica's first-string pilots in the new Vipers and everybody would've died, as planned.
Daniels were the 7s.
It's to bad we did not see him. They could of had an episode where the Galactica found the last Daniel living somewhere, etc..
