Nitpicking and Random Observations of Episodes 1 & 2

[uniderth]

Not really. Look at the 1701 'Burst Phser' effects in the Remastered portions of the videos below (also shows how inconsistent TOS 'Ship's Phaser' visual effects were in TOS Season 1):

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The Phaser effects were consistent with the TOS Remastered effects for 'Burst Phasers'

Umm...yeahh... the Remastered doesn't trump the original effects, so it kind of doesn't count as a reference.

 

[F. King Daniel]

We got confirmation that phase canons and phasers are the same thing. Take that, everyone who's nitpicked my nitpick videos for the past few years.

Shenzhou explicitly fires phasers from her phase canons.

 

[Vger23]

It's always funny to read stuff like this. Tells you right away who was pre-determined to not like the show vs. who wasn't.

 

[Ometiklan]

• Our introduction to the crew is on a mission that violates non-interference in the natural development of a species (Starfleet doesn't go around solving all the natural disasters of pre-warp planets so they they'll have a chance to flourish, otherwise they'd get no exploring done at all, for all they know the species struggle to survive against the odds is what propels them forward faster than anything else--it may sound harsh but it's non-interference for a reason)

See "The Paradise Syndrome"

• Since when did Klingon's have a caste system?

These Klingons are different. Klingons certainly had 'houses'.

• Klingons with cloaking devices before their alliance with the Romulans?

Agreed - worst ret-con yet...

To this I would add:
- the mission with the Corpusculans was due to an asteroid mining accident (presumably the Federation caused it), but the dialog goes by so fast it is hard to tell. So Starfleet is fixing their own unintentional interference.
- In ENT "Judgement", Archer's Klingon advocate discusses Klingon culture, that there is a warrior caste whose quest for "honor" is displacing other segments of society (like justice for accused criminals).
- Klingon cloaking devices: since it is implied that T'Kuvma invented the cloak, maybe the few that exist don't survive long, and without T'Kuvma they can't be replicated. Or maybe he received a cloak from the Romulans as part of a plot to start a Klingon/Federation war. Discovery's producers have said that some of the apparent canon violations will be explained down the road. I would think this is likely to be one of them.

They should have set the show at last ten years before Burnham breaks out of jail and joins the Discovery. Having her in jail in 2256 and then a few months later on the USS Discovery, is ridiculous. Since the writers state it take place 10 years before TOS Kirk then she won't be in jail for very long will she?

Have you seen episode 3 yet? Do you know the exact time between her sentencing and getting to the Discovery? If there is a strong need to recruit her for the war effort (as implied), why would it be ridiculous that she only serves a short amount of time versus a long time? Should Lorca wait on a possible end to the war just so Burnham serves a little more of her life sentence?

It's always funny to read stuff like this. Tells you right away who was pre-determined to not like the show vs. who wasn't.

Agreed (For the most part I think this is true, but not always.)

 

[Longinus]

Saru is referred to a "lieutenant". Then he is referred to (once) as "lieutenant commander" by Captain Georgiou. He is also referred to as "commander" by the helmsman (this is while Saru is has the con- while it may be okay to refer to him as 'captain' merely as a courtesy while in this position, commander would not be used this way- but 'commander' is an accepted form of address for a lieutenant commander)

This is because of the nigh invisible rank insignia. Even the Starfleet personnel have given up and just address each other with random ranks.

 

[Vger23]

This is because of the nigh invisible rank insignia. Even the Starfleet personnel have given up and just address each other with random ranks.

General, would you get me a cup of coffee please?

Why yes I will, Sgt. Major! Do you need a Padd as well?

 

[Dr. Bashirs protege]

I might get piled upon for this but whenever someone says "weve seen all 24 houses augh!". Either people have predetermined to not like it or....cant count holo projections

 

[Vger23]

I might get piled upon for this but whenever someone says "weve seen all 24 houses augh!". Either people have predetermined to not like it or....cant count holo projections

Somebody was registering complaints in another thread about how Ep 1 had "major plot holes" because they flew into the asteroid field with a thruster suit and not a shuttle. Someone was all ramped up about how "teh stupidz" that was and therefore it's the worst written show ever.

Which was humorous since it was addressed right in the dialogue of the episode when they said they did not have a shuttle with the maneuverability required to successfully navigate the field.

If you think you're not going to like something, you are going to find reasons not to like it.

Simple, basic, human psychology.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

I gotta be honest by issue with the flight suit thing was the needless risk for unknown reward. I mean yeah, you gotta take some but oi,

and the sheer distances being discussed all to be done within 20 minutes.

I dunno, seemed a "smidge" ridiculous to me. Not so ridiculous I couldn't enjoy myself.

 

[GilmourD]

I gotta be honest by issue with the flight suit thing was the needless risk for unknown reward. I mean yeah, you gotta take some but oi,

and the sheer distances being discussed all to be done within 20 minutes.

I dunno, seemed a "smidge" ridiculous to me. Not so ridiculous I couldn't enjoy myself.

It feels contrived.

Also, at the speed at which she was moving in the suit, how maneuverable could she possibly have been? Seemed more like she rocketed in a straight line.

Also... Is it just me or did the preview for the rest of the season feel more like Prison Break than Star Trek?

 

[Vger23]

I gotta be honest by issue with the flight suit thing was the needless risk for unknown reward. I mean yeah, you gotta take some but oi,

and the sheer distances being discussed all to be done within 20 minutes.

I dunno, seemed a "smidge" ridiculous to me. Not so ridiculous I couldn't enjoy myself.

I agree, but honestly...this has been a Star Trek trope since "The Cage." It's all part of the experience!

 

[Vger23]

It feels contrived.

Also, at the speed at which she was moving in the suit, how maneuverable could she possibly have been? Seemed more like she rocketed in a straight line.

Also... Is it just me or did the preview for the rest of the season feel more like Prison Break than Star Trek?

I gotta tell you though...it's this level of over-analysis (that we admittedly all do) that drives me crazy.

Realistically, we need to accept that there's things that storytelling will demand that aren't going hold up under tight scrutiny or "the quest for realism". Nobody gives a shit if Petty Officer Johnson goes out in the thruster suit. Sure, it's realistic I guess...but storytelling is about experiencing things through the characters. It's why Kirk almost always beamed down on every mission. He's the star. Nobody cares about what Lt. DeSalle thinks about The Guardian of Forever.

Like, it's pretty fucking contrived that the Reliant just happens to go to Ceti Alpha 5, find Khan, and have that happening at the exact same time Kirk is about to (under obviously rare circumstances) be back together with his old crew on a training mission aboard his old ship. But...you wouldn't have "The Wrath of Khan" without that.

Most stories across most genres are built upon contrivances.

If you're looking for a reason to dislike something, you're bound to find it. Probably a lot of it.

 

[GilmourD]

I gotta tell you though...it's this level of over-analysis (that we admittedly all do) that drives me crazy.

Realistically, we need to accept that there's things that storytelling will demand that aren't going hold up under tight scrutiny or "the quest for realism". Nobody gives a shit if Petty Officer Johnson goes out in the thruster suit. Sure, it's realistic I guess...but storytelling is about experiencing things through the characters. It's why Kirk almost always beamed down on every mission. He's the star. Nobody cares about what Lt. DeSalle thinks about The Guardian of Forever.

Like, it's pretty fucking contrived that the Reliant just happens to go to Ceti Alpha 5, find Khan, and have that happening at the exact same time Kirk is about to (under obviously rare circumstances) be back together with his old crew on a training mission aboard his old ship. But...you wouldn't have "The Wrath of Khan" without that.

Most stories across most genres are built upon contrivances.

If you're looking for a reason to dislike something, you're bound to find it. Probably a lot of it.

Yeah, but Chekov didn't leave footprints in the pattern of a giant warp delta in the sand for Kirk to find. C'mon!

 

[Vger23]

Yeah, but Chekov didn't leave footprints in the pattern of a giant warp delta in the sand for Kirk to find. C'mon!

You're right, of course.


WURST SHO EVAR!!!!1!!1!

 

[Vger23]

Random Observation (not a nit-pick): I can't make out the designs of the Klingon ships. They seem very intricate and alien looking...but I can't really say I could draw one or even describe one.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

I can't make out the designs of the Klingon ships. They seem very intricate and alien looking...but I can't really say I could draw one or even describe one.

Haters gonna hate.