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NF: Treason discussion thread (SPOILER)

The Nth Doctor

Wanderer in the Fourth Dimension
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I just finished it and all I have to say is WOW.

Peter David was firing with all pistons. All of the classic New Frontier humor and action was there along with some great character developments. I wasn't entirely surprised by Selar's betrayal but at the same time I could understand here motivations. And I think her final act redeemed herself. The closing moments before her death were poignant and gave satisfying closure to her story that has been going on since the very first book.

I was impressed how flawlessly David managed to weave in all of the important characters of New Frontier into the story without it feeling forced. That being said, I was sadden by Dr. Villers' and Gold's death. For the briefest of moments, I thought David was going to kill off everyone aboard the Trident. I'll be intrigued to see how that crew carries on in the next story considering the deaths and injuries (particularly Arex's maiming and Hash's lost of an old friend).

It was also good to see Xyon and the Lyla once again and frankly I can't blame him for walking away from Kalinda once and for all. That being said, I would love to see him pop up again in a future story. As for Si Cwan, I was greatly amused by his role in the book, but I hope this story is the end of his tale.

A few dangling threads: David seems to have been weaving together plot ideas for the last few books like he did in the early days and I can't help but wonder where he's taking it, especially considering the final line in regards to Nechayev. How exactly will that play out, in particular regards to the Destiny events? Will this plotline be resolved prior to those events, and if so, how does that effect Nechayev's presence in those events?

Additionally, there is greater concern towards the nature of Morgan and that seems to becoming to a head in short order. I liked the small references to Turnaround, but I can't help but wonder if those who weren't able to read the comic mini-series will be confused.

The direction of Tania's character also seems to be rather intriguing but I hope it's not a rehash of what happened with McHenry (not so much godhood, but just the general idea).

Lastly, I loved The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference Robin made early on in the book. :D

A few editorial mistakes aside (I think I counted about a half a dozen which were somewhat jarring), Treason was an excellent book. I can't wait for more!
 
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I have finished it last night, and now I'm wondering when the militant Selar fans will arrive here. :guffaw:
 
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As I said in the other thread I enjoyed it. One thing that irked me, at least twice in the book Calhoun was speechless which allegedly is something that does not happen very often to him. I may be wrong but it seems to happen to him at least once a book. Maybe its only him who believes it does not happen very often to himself...
 
As I said in the other thread I enjoyed it. One thing that irked me, at least twice in the book Calhoun was speechless which allegedly is something that does not happen very often to him. I may be wrong but it seems to happen to him at least once a book. Maybe its only him who believes it does not happen very often to himself...


Maybe we should check with his wife on that point - at least we'd know who gets the last word :guffaw:
 
Good to hear that people didn't have trouble following the story. There were two character developments and one minor plot point that are from the comics, so I was a little worried people would have trouble tracking.
 
Okay, good. I never read the Double Helix book from way back when, and I remember missing some random references from that, but it didn't really interfere with the other books.

Guess I know what I'll be buying myself in a couple days.
 
Yeah, Double or Nothing mostly focused on the Double Helix drama but did touch on a few character points (such as Selar's pregnancy). Of course, it also caused the infamous timeline blo0pper...
 
Yeah, Double or Nothing mostly focused on the Double Helix drama but did touch on a few character points (such as Selar's pregnancy). Of course, it also caused the infamous timeline blo0pper...
What was that? Maybe I don't post in here often enough, but I don't really remember anything about that.
 
Yeah, Double or Nothing mostly focused on the Double Helix drama but did touch on a few character points (such as Selar's pregnancy). Of course, it also caused the infamous timeline blo0pper...
What was that? Maybe I don't post in here often enough, but I don't really remember anything about that.
Peter David accidentally jumped 18 months (I think that was the length of time) with Double or Nothing because that book was set after the Dominon War was over and the main New Frontier timeline was during the middle of the war. The glaring error was that Selar was still pregnant (among other character developments not changing). Of course, the comic Double Time and the short story "Stone Cold Truths" from Tales of the Dominion War fixed that error.
 
Yeah, Double or Nothing mostly focused on the Double Helix drama but did touch on a few character points (such as Selar's pregnancy). Of course, it also caused the infamous timeline blo0pper...
What was that? Maybe I don't post in here often enough, but I don't really remember anything about that.
Peter David accidentally jumped 18 months (I think that was the length of time) with Double or Nothing because that book was set after the Dominon War was over and the main New Frontier timeline was during the middle of the war. The glaring error was that Selar was still pregnant (among other character developments not changing). Of course, the comic Double Time and the short story "Stone Cold Truths" from Tales of the Dominion War fixed that error.
Oh, right. I didn't read Double or Nothing until last year, and by that time Double Time had been out years, so I didn't notice anything amiss.
 
God, I feel like I need to reread all the books. The new ones come out so infrequently these days that the whole NF universe has become a blur. I don't even remember what happened in the last book.

Hell, I don't even remember what the last book was!
 
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I have finished it last night, and now I'm wondering when the militant Selar fans will arrive here. :guffaw:

I wondered the same.

I've been on vacation and was able to read - devour - nay, assimilate - "Treason" in three huge chunks, with very few interruptions or distractions.

When Arex, M'Ress and Desma were attacked, and with Gold dead - and Dr Selar and Morgan Primus highly likely to paint themselves into a corner each - I really started to think we were facing a bloodbath.

It's a shame those Janeway fans can't, or won't, understand that her death has really heightened the drama, and potential drama, of the current crop of novels. I was quite worried for the fates of Arex, M'Ress, Desma and Selar in this one. Four of my big fave characters. Mind you, I was sure that Morgan had really snuffed it in IDW's "Turnabout" comic mini-series, so that was a fun return, although one filled with foreboding in "Treason".

Did you notice how some of Selar's stray DNA was all that was found... in the remnants of a cloning facility? Hehehehehehe.
 
Re: "Treason" Down Under

I have finished it last night, and now I'm wondering when the militant Selar fans will arrive here. :guffaw:

I wondered the same.

I've been on vacation and was able to read - devour - nay, assimilate - "Treason" in three huge chunks, with very few interruptions or distractions.

When Arex, M'Ress and Desma were attacked, and with Gold dead - and Dr Selar and Morgan Primus highly likely to paint themselves into a corner each - I really started to think we were facing a bloodbath.

It's a shame those Janeway fans can't, or won't, understand that her death has really heightened the drama, and potential drama, of the current crop of novels. I was quite worried for the fates of Arex, M'Ress, Desma and Selar in this one. Four of my big fave characters. Mind you, I was sure that Morgan had really snuffed it in IDW's "Turnabout" comic mini-series, so that was a fun return, although one filled with foreboding in "Treason".

Did you notice how some of Selar's stray DNA was all that was found... in the remnants of a cloning facility? Hehehehehehe.

You just post the exact same things in multiple Trek forums. lol.

I too have read the book and enjoyed it a great deal. But I think I'll hate waiting for the next volume. I read the entire series over 2007-2009. And the longest I've had to wait for a volume was between the final issue of 'Turnaround' and 'Treason' and that was annoying. lol. I do recommend 'Turnaround' to anyone who enjoys the series; it's been available as a graphic novel since October 2008.
 
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You just post the exact same things in multiple Trek forums. lol.

No, just here and Psi Phi, the two places I frequent most. And only usually my responses to novels, not every post I write. ;)

Some people on Psi Phi refuse to come over here, and vice versa, and I have friends on both boards.
 
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When Arex, M'Ress and Desma were attacked, and with Gold dead - and Dr Selar and Morgan Primus highly likely to paint themselves into a corner each - I really started to think we were facing a bloodbath.

I was beginning to wonder during the book if PAD was going to do a 'reboot' and basically kill off the Trident and go back to stories just focusing on the Excalibur. You also forgot Dr Villiers [?] in the bloodbath! :)
 
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I was beginning to wonder during the book if PAD was going to do a 'reboot' and basically kill off the Trident and go back to stories just focusing on the Excalibur. You also forgot Dr Villiers [?] in the bloodbath! :)

Me too. The doctor wasn't forgotten, but that death wasn't as traumatic personally.

But...when PAD messes with my toons, and the Andorian, and Suzie Plakson - then you know the holodeck safeties have been deactivated!
 
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