Next Phase Episode

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Stroudarian, Dec 21, 2017.

  1. Emperor Norton

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    There is no bottom to space, so there is no bottom for them to fall down to. The question is more how then they moved from side to side. But....floors on the shuttle, so floors as a context on the ship...timey whimey, wibble wobble...

    Also, I thought from the title this was going to be something like the "Phase II" version of a TNG follow on series, which I hadn't heard of before. So I am now sad.
     
  2. Ronan Fahy

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    one of the Titan books, absent enemies I think, actually goes into a lot of detail about this, asking the same questions and with geordi etc wondering why it all worked as it did, and coming up with some theories, which amount to basically it being of no use if it didn't work like thst therefore someone designed it to be affected by gravity, to allow them breath, to allow light hit their eyes etc.
     
  3. φ of π

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    Q. Q was invisibly watching them, and keeping them at floor level and able to breathe.

    Plot hole? Nope... just Q.
     
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  4. Herbert

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    That's more plausible than anything else posted so far in this thread :bolian:
     
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  5. Tim Thomason

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    A wizard did it. Star Trek style.
     
  6. Herbert

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    Maybe it was the same race of wizard beings that Sylvia and Korob were a part of, from the TOS episode, Catspaw.
     
  7. φ of π

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    Were they wizards or did they just have really advanced technology in accordance with Clarke's 3rd law?
     
  8. Timo

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    I think the simple answer is to not look for a simple answer. After all, nature is never simple, and absolutes are rare.

    The heroes were phased, but not "totally" phased. They were transparent to electromagnetic things (light, the solidity of objects) but not to gravity. And even then, they weren't totally transparent - they felt resistance, possibly in varying amounts depending on the solidity of the substance.

    Diving behind a table is fine: the table is rock solid against the blast even if not against the hands of the heroes. Not going through the floors is fine: artificial gravity is acting on them since they don't float, and it must have a repelling quality even on non-phased objects, from the way we see it work.

    The only real inconsistency is the availability of breathing air. But here I'd wish to speculate on what "phasing" really is. The word is used for describing at least four phenomena in Trek, after all:

    1) The "ghosting" in this episode and in "The Pegasus"
    2) The slight shifting in time in "Time's Arrow" et al.
    3) The falling victim to a Starfleet hero's sidearm
    4) The use of a transporter

    For all we know, those all are one and the same phenomenon. The common end result is the making of the victim invisible (1, 2, 3, 4) and capable of going through walls (1, 4 but probably the others as well), after all! And "Time's Arrow" spells out what the phenomenon is: the victims exist slightly in the past or the future of the rest of the universe.

    Enter Stephen King's Langoliers. If LaForge exists in the past of Picard (frantically handwave what this actually means if you really want to), of course light "remaining" of Picard will fall upon LaForge's VISOR, but light from LaForge won't reach Picard's eyes. And of course other things from Picard's timeframe will "remain" to seep into LaForge's realm, hopefully including sufficient breathing air.

    This just makes one wonder: if you get phasered into oblivion, is that the very same thing that happened to LaForge and Ro? Is Trek Hell full of slowly asphyxiating and starving people who have no recourse other than to eat each other in the lucky case they were phasered down close to each other? Is it a merciful thing to phaser out your victim's heart or other innards, after all (TNG style), rather than to make him disappear in whole (TOS style)? (Is Hell covered in the innards of past victims?)

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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  9. Tim Thomason

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    I'm a fan of the common view of Star Trek, but Timo's interpretations of Star Trek always seem way more badass and hardcore.
     
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  10. φ of π

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    Ooh... so Romulan and Klingon disruptors don't disintegrate their target, they shift them out of phase to die a lingering death all alone, just a shadow's width away from everyone else?

    Chilling... I like it.
     
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  11. A Chimpanzee & 2 Trainees

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    Maybe I'm just being dense, but why would they fall through the floor? Once they materialize, shouldn't they just remain in place until the Enterprise moves, or is it the gravity plating pulling them down? Does a gravitational force in the "prime phase" have any effect on them while they are phased?

    Regardless, I guess they shouldn't be able to even get up off the floor once they wake up, to say nothing of being able to move between decks. 40 minutes of Ro and Geordi trying to get up off a floor, punctuated by the destruction of the Enterprise at the hands of the Romulans. I think I found an episode concept worse than Shades of Grey.

    And, when Geordi's playing around with the Engineering pool table trying to get Data to figure it out, why doesn't he do something a little easier for him to notice... like write his name in chronotons (sp?) with his finger in the table?
     
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