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Oliver and Barry should totally crossover more often, they play well against each other. There was way more self-referential humor than I was expecting, but I liked it. Also liked the supers in Smallville, Lois was especially neat and the Amazo fight was a cool team-up.
Deagan seems to have the same sort of idea on how to fix the human/meta divide that Lena has on Supergirl on fixing the human/alien divide... coincidence, or clue on who gets the book on Earth-38?
Shame they didn't have Oliver do the "fastest man alive" intro, and another missed Legends crossover opportunity would have been for Mick to wield the book.
To be fair, Team Flash didn't instantly dismiss the idea. They did their due diligence, scanning them for brain irregularities, temporal anomalies, tachyon particles, etc.
My guess for main reason they decided for Batwoman to live on Earth One is it avoids all the alien issues on Supergirl. If it happened a few seasons ago maybe. But now it hard to imagine doing any show on Earth 38 without dealing with “Aliens live and work among us” as analogy for real world immigration.
Star City and Central City mostly exist in their own neighborhoods that only crossover when they choose. Though there are always questions of why Flash and Green Arrow do not help the other in major live and death struggles. If the expected green light for a Batwoman series happens, it will probably take the same approach.
I figured that Deegan's alteration of reality might have included an effect that made people reluctant to question the new reality. Although in Team Flash's defense, it's more probable that someone could've brainwashed or hypnotized Barry and Oliver into believing they were each other than that somebody actually altered reality to swap them.
- I lost my mind when the Smallville theme played, I still have fond memories of that show
- Lois Lane was pretty good
- I can't wait to see more of 90s Flash
- Amazo was cool, and I'm glad we got to see him in the Arrowverse
- Barry and Oliver as each other's superhero identity was amazing, it was really well written and acted and had both good funny moments and good serious moments
Overall this was a great way to start the crossover, and I can't wait to see where it goes from here.
I liked it. But it just felt like just a regular episode but at the same time not. The characters should be thinking and feeling a different way with all that's been going on this season but they all seemed to have had their reset buttons hit. Iris, Cisco and Caitlin all seemed way to happy and chipper in spots
Well, I think that was probably because they wanted to keep things open for people who don't usually watch The Flash. I didn't realize that I was one episode behind, so I was actually pretty happy they kept the Flash stuff fairly standalone. I was little surprised we didn't at least get some kind of reference to Nora. I did watch last week's this morning so now I am familiar with where that left off with her.
I guess she hadn't come back from the future yet? Since she likely didn't tell everyone where she was going, I have expected at least a quick "Hey, anyone know where Nora is?"
Not necessarily on CW. These shows don't have very high ratings. It's really a matter of whether they want to continue and have an end game. I'll give Batwoman a try, but I do think the idea of a Batman show without Batman will be very dumb unless Batman exists and just is doing his own thing--but from what I read, they are going the Birds of Prey route, where he disappeared. That's dumb. So the show for me has an uphill battle.
I think that is the best way to at least start something like this, it is a quick way to get the whole where's Batman?, why isn't Batman helping her? issue.
I think Clark is planning to propose to Lois. That is the vibe I got from the scene. And if so, that would be very cool. We need a Lois & Clark wedding on Supergirl!
I was also a little surprised that Team Flash reacted as they did to Barry and Oliver. They have seen so many things that this should be something that they could have believed without locking them up.
They literally just locked them up and left them alone.
You would think that they would work with Barry and Oliver and certainly buy into the "bring in Kara" idea.
I was a little surprised at just how quickly they locked them up too. I know all of their tests came back negative, but you'd still they they would have given them the benefit of the doubt.
All of the body switch stuff was great. The reactions from Barry and Oliver, and how they dealt with living each others lives was a lot of fun. I especially liked them realizing they would have to act like each other.
I was a big Smallville fan back in the day, so I will confess that I kind of freaked out a tiny bit when they played that bit of the theme song.
We didn't get a ton with Lois, but I really liked what we got with her. Elizabeth Tulloch seems like she'll a really good Lois. Hopefully we'll get more with her in tomorrow's Supergirl.
A.M.A.Z.O was pretty cool, and I loved the big fight with him at the end. I was surprised there wasn't more dealing with Oliver having a history with Ivo and the Amazo ship, but I guess they must have decided to either just pretend it didn't happen, or since it was a Flash episode they didn't want to bog it down with barely relevant Arrow history.
Even if I give Team Flash a pass on not believing Barry and Oliver (a big lift in this case given what they have experienced in the past): what had Oliver and Barry done to make Team Flash think drugging and imprisonment was an acceptable next step?
I don't see how that was necessary for the plot other than getting to a commercial break. Ultimately, that just led to "let's go to Earth 38," which could have been done in a variety of ways.
I am very curious as to how they explain Flash90. Will he be the same character, and if so, will they explain why Flash90 is older and looks like Barry's dad and Jay Garrick? I think they need to do just that, because if they do, then you set up crossovers with different actors. Want Dean Cain as Clark Kent? Pick an Earth. Want Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman? Pick an Earth. Want Tom Welling as Clark Kent? Pick an Earth.
I figured that Deegan's alteration of reality might have included an effect that made people reluctant to question the new reality. Although in Team Flash's defense, it's more probable that someone could've brainwashed or hypnotized Barry and Oliver into believing they were each other than that somebody actually altered reality to swap them.
I hope tonight, we get a motivation as to WHY this switch happened. And why would Barry and Oliver be aware but no one else? Other than throwing them off their game, what is the point? And if you're that powerful, why not just wipe metas out of existence?
I think that is the best way to at least start something like this, it is a quick way to get the whole where's Batman?, why isn't Batman helping her? issue.
Quick and easy doesn't necessarily mean best. They could follow the same lead that the Netflix Marvel shows use--they do exist in the same city, but Batwoman only operates in a certain neighborhood. Batman is one guy. As great as he is, while he is stopping one crime, there are six more happening at the same time. The city is certainly big enough for other heroes of the Batman family.
It would be a smaller scale of what Supergirl did with Superman. He's there, just operating in another city.
A.M.A.Z.O was pretty cool, and I loved the big fight with him at the end. I was surprised there wasn't more dealing with Oliver having a history with Ivo and the Amazo ship, but I guess they must have decided to either just pretend it didn't happen, or since it was a Flash episode they didn't want to bog it down with barely relevant Arrow history.
Not sure how many are aware that Elizabeth Tulloch announced that she was pregnant with her first child shortly after she was cast as Lois. So all of this was shot during the early stages. She is due in February. Very happy for her and her husband.
I wonder if we will see her again this season after Wednesday’s conclusion of Elseworlds on Supergirl. I am still hoping she and Tyler return for at least some of John Cryer’s Lex Luthor episodes. His first is episode 15. Hard to predict. Actress have been known to work right until they are due. Maybe the writers will work it into the storyline. Lois and Clark having a superpowered son is a major part of the current comics.
I was little surprised we didn't at least get some kind of reference to Nora. I did watch last week's this morning so now I am familiar with where that left off with her.
I don't think she's in the future, she would have returned at the same time she left(like she and Barry did when they went to the past). She was probably just hanging with Joe, Cecile and the kid.
Quick and easy doesn't necessarily mean best. They could follow the same lead that the Netflix Marvel shows use--they do exist in the same city, but Batwoman only operates in a certain neighborhood. Batman is one guy. As great as he is, while he is stopping one crime, there are six more happening at the same time. The city is certainly big enough for other heroes of the Batman family.
It would be a smaller scale of what Supergirl did with Superman. He's there, just operating in another city.[/QUOTE]
That's fine if you want to keep thing fairly small scale, but the moment you go bigger than a bank robbery or something like that you run into the Batman issue again. If they had gone they had gone the Supergirl route and set it in another city it might have been a bit easier, but the moment decided to set it in Gotham and not involve Batman they pretty much had to take him out of the picture somehow. This also opens them up to use his bad guys without having to come up with some other excuse for why he's not the one fighting them.
AMAZO could be a major villain if done right. I thought they were going to have a kryptonite arrow shot into him.
Of course, AMAZO could always come back and be even stronger. The cartoon version of him was incredible and unstoppable.
I wonder if we'll see any potential supporting characters for Batwoman?
If so I wonder who they might be? From the bits I know about her I'm assuming Bette and her father would be the most obvious.
He's powerful enough to fight the entire Justice League, since he can copy all their powers. So I'd say he's a pretty heavy hitter. In the DC Animated Universe, he basically ended up with nigh-godlike powers.
Her dad for one. They’ll probably add a “diversity friendly” character as well to tick the box.
Probably some GPD members such as Bullock. Definitely Montaya as a potential love interest. She’ll probably be the Question at some point as well.
I was wondering if they might introduce Earth 1 Maggie Sawyer since she was one of her main love interests in the comics, but Renee Montoya would be a good possibility too.
