News Next Arrowverse Crossover to Include Batwoman
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WOW. Batwoman looks amazing!!!
Really looking forward to this. I've tried to avoid obvious spoilers but with all the callbacks for Gotham, I'm really interested to see where this goes. The teaser last week was just enough to whet the appatite for tonight. I feel like the crossovers have just gotten better so hopefully this one keeps up with that trend.
Batwoman really does look awesome.
Batwoman really does look awesome.
The red and black are really vivid. It's quite striking.
I wasn't really sold on Oliver and Barry switching places, but after that last teaser/Look at the crossover I kind of am. As for Batwoman, she was a DC character I really liked, then the original writers of her solo book basically had to leave the book because dan DiDio is a stupid piece of shit (No Bat related character can be married because they must all be miserable apparently, because Dan Didio is a shithead), so I kind of avoid the character in protest of DC fucking over the people who made her ongoing book great. But, its a different medium, so I obviously am not avoiding this, I'm just not super into the character after what DC did in the comics.
I also wish she actually looked like the comic version, at least as much as realistically possible (she can't be snow white obviously, but maybe a natural redhead with pale skin wouldn't have been impossible to cast?), but siince its the CW shows I'm just be glad she's not a super villain and actually wears a costume that resembles Batwoman's. Still, she's probably the thing in the crossover I care about the least, and would be fine with her not showing up at all. But, hey, if having her means I don't have to see the "Legends" characters in this crossover, then its a good trade off.
I also wish she actually looked like the comic version, at least as much as realistically possible (she can't be snow white obviously, but maybe a natural redhead with pale skin wouldn't have been impossible to cast?), but siince its the CW shows I'm just be glad she's not a super villain and actually wears a costume that resembles Batwoman's. Still, she's probably the thing in the crossover I care about the least, and would be fine with her not showing up at all. But, hey, if having her means I don't have to see the "Legends" characters in this crossover, then its a good trade off.
What he said. Hopefully you guys on your side of the pond can start a new thread for the actual episodes. Last year a pre-existing thread was used and even though it had been going at least a year it suddenly acquired a spoiler tag, which I failed to notice until too lateOr everybody wait a week untill I have watched all the episodes.
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I've spent the past couple of days re-listening to my soundtrack album of Shirley Walker's 1990 Flash scores, to set the mood for tonight.
You know what would be a funny Easter egg? If tomorrow's Legends episode has red skies without any explanation.
This wasn't what I expected -- more of a self-contained story with setup for the rest. I thought that Flash-90 would show up here and explain the basic situation, but I guess it's going to stay a mystery a little longer.
I wish they'd acknowledged that Oliver had a history with Professor Ivo. They did make a token nod to it with a technobabble handwave about AMAZO being somehow Mirakuru-based, which didn't make much sense. And having the "M" in "AMAZO" stand for "Metahuman" doesn't explain how Ivo had a ship called Amazo five years before the first metahumans showed up. Also, how does AMAZO manifest the characters' logos when it absorbs their powers? Heck, it showed the comics' Elongated Man logo, which our Ralph doesn't even have on his costume.
But speaking of explanations, we finally, after five years, get an answer to the question of whether there are toilets in the Pipeline.
I would've appreciated the in-joke of using the Smallville theme song more if I didn't hate that song. As for our first look at Lois, I think Elizabeth Tulloch did pretty well, and I liked the insights we got into her and Clark's relationship.
I wish they'd acknowledged that Oliver had a history with Professor Ivo. They did make a token nod to it with a technobabble handwave about AMAZO being somehow Mirakuru-based, which didn't make much sense. And having the "M" in "AMAZO" stand for "Metahuman" doesn't explain how Ivo had a ship called Amazo five years before the first metahumans showed up. Also, how does AMAZO manifest the characters' logos when it absorbs their powers? Heck, it showed the comics' Elongated Man logo, which our Ralph doesn't even have on his costume.
But speaking of explanations, we finally, after five years, get an answer to the question of whether there are toilets in the Pipeline.
I would've appreciated the in-joke of using the Smallville theme song more if I didn't hate that song. As for our first look at Lois, I think Elizabeth Tulloch did pretty well, and I liked the insights we got into her and Clark's relationship.
Because I live in Hickville, my local CW affiliate doesn't know how to scroll snow day closures without squashing the aspect ratio of the show and making the mere watching of it a nausea-inducing and disorienting experience. SNOW DAY VERTIGO POWERS, ACTIVE! 
Otherwise, I liked it. Seriously looking forward to going to Earth-1 Gotham City.
Otherwise, I liked it. Seriously looking forward to going to Earth-1 Gotham City.
The Flash - "Elseworlds, Part 1"
Barry/Flash: His relationship with Iris is and will always be the best developed, most honest/interesting relationship of this group of connected DC series by far.
Kara/SG: "Cat was scarier" --about the demand for SG to reveal her true identity. Heh-heh ...and no, she was not being facetious. Cat could make nor has the resources to make her life a living nightmare like a president (and the SG PLOT implies that's around the corner). In any case, at least there was a reference to the current SG storyline.
Clark/SM / Lois: Lois calls Clark "Smallville"--a carryover from a couple of Superman adaptations, the WB/"Timmverse" Superman: The Animated Series cartoon among said adaptations.
Tulloch's Lois Lane was fine in appearance--just what one would imagine in another Lois Lane casting, but she was going a bit overboard in trying to channel the talkative Lois personality seen in the performances of Dana Delany from the WB Superman cartoon, and obviously, the late Margot Kidder. Each actress to take on the role before always worked to make that role their own, and I've seen enough of Tulloch's other roles to know she can be as original as she desires, so, i'm hoping she steers her Lois away from the cloning seen here.
The Monitor & John Deegan: Even in Lamonica Garret's few on-screen seconds as the Monitor, he seemed to be moving his performance toward the Brolin/Thanos zone (and no, the Wolfman & Perez creation was not based on, or inspired by Jim Starlin's villain, so if anyone thought there should be some comic book "lineage", in appearance/performance, there should not be).
NOTES: Body/identity swapping stories are among the most overused tropes in popular media, rarely executed with any creative effect worth remembering, and it maintained that reputation here, making the coming resolution to this problem more than welcome.
Amazo and the fight FX...early 2000s video-gamey.
Really looking forward to Batwoman. In keeping with some Bat-performances / interpretations, I hope the disrespect of the other heroes comes into play before everyone gets all nicey-nice.
GRADE: Edging between C+ and B-. The body/identity/reality swapping was an obvious plot device, but its use here was the very thing keeping this first part in this "floating" grade.
Barry/Flash: His relationship with Iris is and will always be the best developed, most honest/interesting relationship of this group of connected DC series by far.
Kara/SG: "Cat was scarier" --about the demand for SG to reveal her true identity. Heh-heh ...and no, she was not being facetious. Cat could make nor has the resources to make her life a living nightmare like a president (and the SG PLOT implies that's around the corner). In any case, at least there was a reference to the current SG storyline.
Clark/SM / Lois: Lois calls Clark "Smallville"--a carryover from a couple of Superman adaptations, the WB/"Timmverse" Superman: The Animated Series cartoon among said adaptations.
Tulloch's Lois Lane was fine in appearance--just what one would imagine in another Lois Lane casting, but she was going a bit overboard in trying to channel the talkative Lois personality seen in the performances of Dana Delany from the WB Superman cartoon, and obviously, the late Margot Kidder. Each actress to take on the role before always worked to make that role their own, and I've seen enough of Tulloch's other roles to know she can be as original as she desires, so, i'm hoping she steers her Lois away from the cloning seen here.
The Monitor & John Deegan: Even in Lamonica Garret's few on-screen seconds as the Monitor, he seemed to be moving his performance toward the Brolin/Thanos zone (and no, the Wolfman & Perez creation was not based on, or inspired by Jim Starlin's villain, so if anyone thought there should be some comic book "lineage", in appearance/performance, there should not be).
NOTES: Body/identity swapping stories are among the most overused tropes in popular media, rarely executed with any creative effect worth remembering, and it maintained that reputation here, making the coming resolution to this problem more than welcome.
Amazo and the fight FX...early 2000s video-gamey.
Really looking forward to Batwoman. In keeping with some Bat-performances / interpretations, I hope the disrespect of the other heroes comes into play before everyone gets all nicey-nice.
GRADE: Edging between C+ and B-. The body/identity/reality swapping was an obvious plot device, but its use here was the very thing keeping this first part in this "floating" grade.
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Elseworlds, Part 1 Review
Maybe it's the fact that I no longer watch The Flash, but this episode wasn't quite as exciting as I wanted it to be.
Don't get me wrong; the episode was very well-written, well-acted, and full of fun conversations and interactions, particularly since it introduced us to the Arrowverse's Lois, but I just didn't care all that much about the story, and it consequently came off as a bit "meh" when it should've been "awesome".
I did get a kick out of the re-use of the Smallville Kent Farm, red truck, and opening theme song, two of which are things I knew were coming because of Spoilers, although I wish we'd gotten a bit more of the Supercousins and Lois by themselves ahead of Oliver and Barry showing yp, especially since they ruined Clark and Kara's conversation.
I'm hoping that tomorrow's Part 2 will give me more of a reason to care about the story and consequently be more exciting, because I'm not sure I can handle being merely "whelmed" two nights in a row.
Maybe it's the fact that I no longer watch The Flash, but this episode wasn't quite as exciting as I wanted it to be.
Don't get me wrong; the episode was very well-written, well-acted, and full of fun conversations and interactions, particularly since it introduced us to the Arrowverse's Lois, but I just didn't care all that much about the story, and it consequently came off as a bit "meh" when it should've been "awesome".
I did get a kick out of the re-use of the Smallville Kent Farm, red truck, and opening theme song, two of which are things I knew were coming because of Spoilers, although I wish we'd gotten a bit more of the Supercousins and Lois by themselves ahead of Oliver and Barry showing yp, especially since they ruined Clark and Kara's conversation.
I'm hoping that tomorrow's Part 2 will give me more of a reason to care about the story and consequently be more exciting, because I'm not sure I can handle being merely "whelmed" two nights in a row.
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