Well it was an episode of Supergirl. She was pretty dead on. Most men see anything feminine as degrading. Even being compared to women based on what I’ve seen in this thread.
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If Sherlocque is still around I hope he makes a comment about the upside being that he’ll no longer have to pay alimony.
I was wondering that since there was a Earth one counterpart for Alex and Jimmy, why wasn't there an earth one counterpart for Lois Lane? Then I realized, with the kind of stuff Lois gets herself into, without Superman to save her she probably died in a helicopter crash years ago. It would be hilarious if the only Earths that had a surviving Lois Lane also had a Superman.
Yeah but he never said anything about that. Nothing shouted out that he was sexist. He probably picked Superman because he’s also a male. Just seemed like a random insult that reveals more about Supergirl than anything else.
Yeah, this.
Superman seemed pretty much like Superman. Certainly more than the asshole from MOS claiming to be Superman.
I think it is worth noting that Superman was portrayed very differently in part 1 versus part 3 which had different writers. In part 1 which was the flash episode and had the flash writers, Superman was portrayed more positively. Superman does very well in the fight against Amazo. In part 3 which was the Supergirl episode and had the Supergirl writers, Superman does horribly in his fight against the evil superman and at the end of the episode tells Kara she is superior to him and Earth does not need him. This is similar to all of his other appearances on Supergirl. The fact that Superman is only portrayed negatively on the Supergirl show, would certainly seem to suggest that the Supergirl writers either don't know how to write for Superman or are deliberately writing him that way because they want Supergirl to look better. Frankly, this should not be so controversial. We all know Supergirl is a show that is all about girl power. It would follow that the writers want to portray their female lead as the best and better, thus they are writing Superman to reinforce that.
That's an opinion, not a fact.
Nope.
It's an observation.
Reads a lot like confirmation bias to me.
OK, for the sake of argument, let's say your interpretation of things is accurate (it's not, but whatever). By your own admission here, it's only on this "one small show" that things are the way they are.
So what does that say about you, when you have an abundance of other choices that conform to your preferences, that you have to fight tooth and nail to make sure this "one small show" also conforms to your preferences as well? That you can't even allow the tiniest bit of diversity in style or depiction of characters lest they be labelled "PC" or "emasculating" by you? Everyone must conform to what you want?
Isn't that the very definition of weakness, that your whole worldview is so fragile that "one small show" straying a little ways off the traditional path is such a challenge to your masculinity?
As is usually the case with other DC adaptations, its continuity isn't consistent with Supergirl's. Its portrayal of Krypton is quite different, as a barren, dying world with only a few cities surviving in domes. It uses the Superman: Birthright and DCEU precedent of defining the House of El sigil (the S shield) to mean "hope" instead of "stronger together" (El mayarah) as in the Arrowverse. Its version of General Zod (Colin Salmon) is quite different from the one glimpsed in the Arrowverse. And so on. Also, its second season is slated to feature a Hawkwoman character who's bound to be quite different from the Arrowverse's Hawkgirl.
Those men are fools. And bigots for believing that fully half of humanity is inferior to the other half. I'll never understand how anyone can think it's okay to diminish others that way. No one with real strength has the need to put others down to feel good about themselves.
I don't see it as him being emasculated. I see it as him being mature and humble. How they write Clark Kent is very accurate. That is not where they have failed with the character. The problem is how they have written him while in Superman mode. Basically he is treated like a sidekick and not allowed to kick ass in any really cool way especially compared to your series regulars such as Supergirl,Green Arrow and The Flash.
Which works when you dealing with your average superhero character. Not so much when your dealing with the most iconic one in comic book history. There are two characters that are so iconic to treat them as second fiddle feels disrespectful. One is Superman and the other is Batman. They guy is basically Angel on "Buffy" where the full potential of the character isn't explored until he gets his own show in "Angel."
As for him leaving I don't see what the big deal is. I assume he will be helping people there just like he does on earth and like it was said he will return someday. I do think it would play better if Kara was seen as being more of a global hero instead of just watching over here home city but maybe that idea will be explored. The idea that if you are going to replace Superman you got to expand your perspective a little bit. I actually also kind of like the idea of seeing the rise of more superhero's to sort of take on some of the extra responsbility.
Jason
If anything, I felt "Elseworlds, Part 3" felt more like a Superman story than the Supergirl episode it nominally was.
I don't see it as disrespectful. Those two characters have had far more screen adaptations over the decades than any other superhero, at least in live action. I don't see a problem with spreading the wealth and letting other characters get the spotlight for a change.
Have you forgotten the opening scene of the Supergirl season premiere, which was about exactly that?
There we can agree. I'm disappointed we still only have one Earth-38 series.
Tom Welling is well acquainted with Greg Berlanti, and he was the person first asked to play 'Superman' on Supergirl; but he turned it down. He didn't want to wear the costume. Given that, I don't think they'd be able to talk him into any Superman costume from any era.
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I agree about letting other characters shine. Supergirl was especially good idea because it's always good to show some more female superhero's and also because the movie back in the day was bad and she was meh in "Smallville" and I barely recall her on ":Lois and Clark" I think she was played by Justine Bateman but that show had started to go downhill by then so nobody was looking good after awhile.
All of which makes me wonder how effective the Superman character works if he isn't the focus of attention. It's possible he should have never shown up at all on the show. Keep it like season 1 though I guess one had to eventually address it at some point. Me if they ever use him again I think I would like to see a flashback episode were you see him doing his thing. James is still Jimmy, Kara is still a young reporter. That or bring those two young girls back in the other flashback that played young Kara and Alex and see what Superman meant to Kara as a young girl.
I do remember the opening scene but it seems almost like a afterthought. Granted I recall "Smallville" doing something like it before as well. One show had Clark in costume in France or London and then it's back to always dealing with stuff in Smallville or Metropolis.
I think it would be neat if we finally got to see Earth 38's Green Arrow,The Flash rise up. Then do something with Aquaman and The Green Lantern. The idea that Superman and now Supergirl are aspiring them in some way to become the hero's they were always meant to be. I mean it worked on "Smallville." Their Aquaman and Flash and Cyborg wouldn't have become hero's if they didn't meet Superman. Maybe we could see Supergirl have the same effect. Superman helped inspire Kara and James and Now they inspire others.
Jason