News? Stories from Dubious Sources

[eschaton]

Why? I'd think something with smooth color gradients and sharp borders would be the easiest thing to upscale.

Because none of the morph VFX are on the original film takes. Ira talked about this during the making of the DS9 doc. IIRC they were all done at video resolution after filming.

Redoing the CGI of the ship battles wasn't hard, because they found the original files, and they were entirely CGI shots. But any shot which is composed of VFX layered upon film would have to have new effects created.

 

[Vullein]

Pine doesn't know anything. He heard the rumour of a Discovery movie from sites like you... It's like a vicious circle. Pine is just repeating what click bite sites are reporting as 'news'. There is no Khan series being prepared with Patel. There is no Discovery movie. I really hope DS9 will be remastered. But that is very costly for something of a niche product that DS9 is.

it's good to know that Chris Pine is a big fan of The Vulcan Reporter, I'll keep that in mind!

While I agree that Patel probably isn't attached to the project, you seem pretty certain of the fact that we aren't getting a Khan series? I guess we'll see. All I know is, I reported in August that a Khan series is back in play, and a month later Robert Meyer Burnett confirms this news with additional info on the project.

 

[Vullein]

why would there be a Discovery movie though? each season is like a movie

I can't find the interview right now, but Kurtzman said a while ago that the stories they've written for Star Trek Discovery fit the TV platform well. If they ever come up with a story centered around the USS Discovery that would work better as a movie, they'll make it a movie.

I imagine a movie would be cheaper too, seeing as how each Discovery episode already has the budget of a feature film.

 

[fireproof78]

I do not trust Robert Meyer Burnett.

 

[Mudd]

I'll just ignore that "ah" and say that none of my Star Trek scoops have been officially confirmed or denied, yet.

None of them confirmed, you say?

Like most flying saucer reports.

I'll credit you with posting your stuff in the appropriately titled topic here, anyway.

 

[UssGlenn]

Because none of the morph VFX are on the original film takes. Ira talked about this during the making of the DS9 doc. IIRC they were all done at video resolution after filming.

Redoing the CGI of the ship battles wasn't hard, because they found the original files, and they were entirely CGI shots. But any shot which is composed of VFX layered upon film would have to have new effects created.

That assumes that the live action footage will be scanned from the original film and not AI upscaled as well. The cheapest way to do it would be to send the entire episode through an AI, no need to do any reediting. It wouldn't be the best possible version, but it would be cheap and an improvement on what we have currently.

 

[KennyB]

it's good to know that Chris Pine is a big fan of The Vulcan Reporter, I'll keep that in mind!

and a month later Robert Meyer Burnett confirms this news with additional info on the project.

How can you confirm something you don't know anything about? Especially when you are a persona non grata in the official Star Trek world......

 

[Danja]

All I know is, I reported in August that a Khan series is back in play, and a month later Robert Meyer Burnett confirms this news with additional info on the project.

Burnett can run his mouth until the cows come home. HE'S not in charge.

Alex Kurtzman is in charge of the franchise -- and there's been nothing from him about a Khan series.

 

[KennyB]

Burnett can run his mouth until the cows come home.

And he WILL......that's all he really does now

there's been nothing from him about a Khan series.

According to Nick Meyer the Khan thing was passed on and he pitched a FILM idea months ago and hasn't heard anything........so I doubt that comes to pass either.

 

[Nerys Myk]

And he WILL......that's all he really does now


According to Nick Meyer the Khan thing was passed on and he pitched a FILM idea months ago and hasn't heard anything........so I doubt that comes to pass either.

Is Gandalf running things?

 

[The Wormhole]

a month later Robert Meyer Burnett confirms this news

Holy hell, there's the text book definition of "dubious source."

 

[fireproof78]

Holy hell, there's the text book definition of "dubious source."

Was Cushman not available?

 

[137th Gebirg]

Is this the same Robert Meyer "Trek is antisemitic" Burnett being discussed here as a "source" for anything other than dryer lint?
Dubious, indeed. That's funny.

 

[KennyB]

Is this the same Robert Meyer "Trek is antisemitic" Burnett being discussed here as a "source" for anything other than dryer lint?
Dubious, indeed. That's funny.

Should have stuck with DVD bonus features.......

 

[CorporalClegg]

AI-based upscaling is cheap and ubiquitous, at this point. Shit, you can upscale short videos in browser apps these days.

And CBS deciding it was economically advantageous to release such a project as a ParPlus exclusive (both DS9 and VOY) is an inevitability at this point. I said that the last time the topic came up a year or so ago.

But people need to reel in their expectations.

And FFS that doesn't mean they're going to call-up HAL to recreated every FX shot in stunning 4k CGI.

 

[fireproof78]

I can honestly say I have no expectations. Upscaling sounds like a waste of money to me.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Exactly. "Garbage in, garbage out". It's an old axiom in the data analysis world.

If the data isn't there to begin with, what emerges as a part of the "upscaling" process will never be an accurate representation of what was intended.

"What about image enhancement software", one might ask? Well, that stuff takes quite a bit of time to try to reconstruct a single frame of video to get something more usable. Real-time upscaling of an active video stream? Yeah, not there yet.

Unless, of course, ALL the next generation of new Blu-Ray players out there have a little quantum computer built-in to them that might do the trick, the existence of which I was not previously aware. That would be a pretty cost-prohibitive price tag for your run-of-the-mill Best Buy denizens out there.

 

[fireproof78]

Unless, of course, ALL the next generation of new Blu-Ray players out there have a little quantum computer built-in to them that might do the trick, the existence of which I was not previously aware. That would be a pretty cost-prohibitive price tag for your run-of-the-mill Best Buy denizens out there.

The government doesn't want you to know about that...

 

[JoseNoodles]

AI upscaling when some CG FX shots were created in SD? Like Babylon 5 recently has? Whenever there's no model shots on film involved to rescan, you reckon? Ditto anytime they have to intercut with SD live action, because there's a missing roll of film of the cast onset?

On BBC America, they would zoom in the the footage, then crop of the top and bottom. It looked okay, but there would often be a lot of visual artifacts, and the credits would be cut off at the bottom. I understand if CBS doesn't want to go all out like they did with TOS and TNG, but some sort of upgrading of the footage would be nice. Unlike B5, they at least have many of the CGI models on hand. A lot of them are being used by Eaglemoss for those magazines that accompany the miniatures, so I would think it would just be a matter of recreating the scenes from the show. No easy task, but at least you have the CGI models on hand.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I can honestly say I have no expectations. Upscaling sounds like a waste of money to me.

It really isn't because, as I've noted, it's become so inexpensive.

Here's a video someone did several months back on their home computer using home software.

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And here's the accompanying article he wrote:

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/310029-how-to-upscale-video-content-to-4k-8k-and-beyond

This an armature doing at home in about 20 minutes time or so.

And while Topaz is great software, it's pales next to the true ANN-based stuff pros have access to.

It's expensive, yes. But still way, way cheaper (and faster) per episode then the TOS/TNG remasters. And "cheap enough" that CBS would most likely get ROI with new ParaPlus subs.