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New version of The Twilight Zone to be on CBS All Access

This is a false narrative that Hollywood is shoving on people to cause more racial division.

That's easy for you to say - you haven't had to live with the systematic abuse and prejudice that people of color have had to deal with. It's easy to just write the whole thing off as a Hollywood illusion - until it becomes a part of your everyday life. You don't know what it's like, I don't either, but that's kind of the whole point...since we haven't suffered like they have, we have no right to judge.

As for the new TZ ep: I haven't seen it yet, but does '1015' pop up again? It's been in the last three episodes. Are they really going to make a running gag out of this?
 
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"The Wunderkind" might very well be the absolute worst Twilight Zone episode ever in the entire history of TV. I feel like I have been psychologically tortured. There is so much that is wrong about the episode that I am struggling to even organize my thoughts.

1) It is a such a blunt metaphor for Trump that it loses all value. The episode literally hits the viewer in the head over and over again with the criticisms of Trump (immature, incompetent, uninformed, etc) but there is zero subtlety and zero intelligence in how the episode does it. Metaphors have to have some intelligence to them in order to work. This episode did not do that.

2) The child was super annoying, it was grating. I just wanted to smack the kid. Why anyone would ever listen to this kid in the first place is beyond ridiculous.

3) The very concept of a kid running for president completely strains credibility. For one, it completely violates the constitution because he fails the age requirement. The episode tries to get around this by saying that the mother's name was on the ballot. What!? No, that does not work! If her name were on the ballot, she would President, not the kid. Plus, it would be obvious election fraud if her name were on the ballot but the kid was going around being the candidate. The Federal Election Committee or whatever would never allow it. The other candidates would never allow it. And where was the vice-president in all this? No mention of the vice-president. And the episode completely skips from the Iowa caucus straight to Inauguration day. So the kid somehow got through all the primaries, and the party still nominated him and he won the general election? Seriously!?! Oh and what party was he running on? Was he running as an independent and he somehow beat both major parties? Or did one of the major parties (Democrats or Republicans) actually nominate a 11 year old kid to be their national candidate? And we are really supposed to believe that one video about his dying dog would save his campaign after literally having him cry for his mommy on national TV. It is utterly preposterous and had so many plot holes, it makes your head spin.

4) Are we really supposed to believe that grown men like the Chief of Staff and the General would take orders from a 11 year old kid? And what about Congress? Impeachment? 25th amendment? Are we really supposed to believe that the entire government and as we see in the episode, the entire nation is so enamored with the kid that they are ok with it? I get the Trump metaphor (Trump acts immature or incompetent or obstructs justice and nobody does anything to remove him from office) but it just strains all credibility.

Basically, when your metaphor is implausible and ridiculous, it fails because the audience can't get pass how ridiculous it is. There has to be some realism for the metaphor to work. The very premise of a 11 year old running for President is so ludicrous that it causes everything else to collapse.

5) The episode was not even well written and it was too long.There were no interesting scenes or thought provoking scenes. Nothing. It was just an episode with a bratty kid running around that dragged on way too long.

6) It was too predictable. They literally show us Ralph in some type of creepy surgery scene right off the bat and tell us it is a flash forward which gave away the ending. And we knew as soon as he decided to represent the kid that the kid was going to be elected somehow. It was utterly predictable.

There are probably other flaws but those are the main ones that I could think of off the top of my head.

Black Mirror actually did this very same topic much better, in the ep "the Waldo moment" where an offensive cartoon character runs for president and wins. That episode was much better because while a cartoon character running for president is absurd, it is a bit more believable than a kid who wants to play video games. And that episode actually had some good scenes in it. And the episode did explore some nice themes of how the population responds to an outsider candidate.

The Outer limits also did a good "President" episode with Babylon 5's Bruce Boxleitner called "Decompression". That episode dealt with a mysterious time traveler from the future who convinces a presidential candidate that he needs to jump from a plane that is going to crash to save himself. The traveler promises to save him when he jumps and tells him that he must do it to live because only he can save America from a horrible dystopian future. The candidate, being a total narcissist, jumps and naturally falls to his death and we learn that the traveler from the future essentially tricked him into committing suicide because he was not going to save the country, he was actually going to be the dictator that destroys America. Now that was a great episode! It had tension. It had great acting. It had an ironic twist. This episode had nothing like that.
 
After watching the train wreck that this last ep was, I really have to wonder: are there no good writers on staff who can write a short 20 mn episode with a solid premise, suspense, and a good twist at the end?
 
I've enjoyed the show quite a bit up to this point, but I didn't care much for this one.
 
1) It is a such a blunt metaphor for Trump that it loses all value. The episode literally hits the viewer in the head over and over again with the criticisms of Trump (immature, incompetent, uninformed, etc) but there is zero subtlety and zero intelligence in how the episode does it. Metaphors have to have some intelligence to them in order to work. This episode did not do that.

I honestly cannot stand anymore of this stuff. Especially when it has the subtlety of a sledgehammer.
 
I see the latest episode is really disliked here, but I thought it was OK. I enjoyed the Trump digs. I guess whether you like it or not may depend on how you feel regarding the current president.
 
I see the latest episode is really disliked here, but I thought it was OK. I enjoyed the Trump digs. I guess whether you like it or not may depend on how you feel regarding the current president.

Or whether you're just sick of how predictable and creatively lazy and creatively bankrupt everyone from John Oliver to the twilight zone writers are nowadays when it comes to politics. There is zero artistic bravery in attacking Trump. Everyone and there dog is doing it because #resist or whatever to the point it's become cliched and meaningless.
 
I see the latest episode is really disliked here, but I thought it was OK. I enjoyed the Trump digs. I guess whether you like it or not may depend on how you feel regarding the current president.

For the record, I am not a Trump supporter. I am not bothered that the episode was an attack on Trump. My issue is in how they did it. The very premise of an actual child running for president just strained credibility for me. And my criticism is much the same as the Family Guy episode that also did a Trump episode. The FG episode was also very poor IMO. When the attacks are too over the top, too blunt, and lack sophistication, they are less effective IMO.
 
Or whether you're just sick of how predictable and creatively lazy and creatively bankrupt everyone from John Oliver to the twilight zone writers are nowadays when it comes to politics. There is zero artistic bravery in attacking Trump. Everyone and there dog is doing it because #resist or whatever to the point it's become cliched and meaningless.

I can't agree. Mocking Trump never gets old. I watch John Oliver and Bill Mahr shows just for that.

The very premise of an actual child running for president just strained credibility for me.

Yeah, and it is not even possible, as the minimum age is 35.
 
This is a false narrative that Hollywood is shoving on people to cause more racial division.
Educate yourself.
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/
https://www.vox.com/identities/2016...-shootings-killings-racism-racial-disparities

And before you suggest I'm saying this because I have a grudge against police, several members of my family are in law enforcement, as my family have been since they first immigrated here. I don't think all or even the majority of cops are bad, but there is a major systemic problem with police misconduct and excessive force/shootings, especially towards minorities, and you dismissing it because it doesn't personally affect you is pretty messed up.
 
The mum was on the ballot.

Is this how a dog is elected Mayor IRL?

Yes but in real life, even if the dog wins, they don't actually put the dog in the mayor's office and do whatever it wants. So again, the idea that even if the kid did win using his mother's name on the ballot, there is no way that the kid would actually be sworn in as president.
 
^ Quite so. The story became increasingly fanciful as it went on. Of course the kid couldn't actually become President in the real world, but that was the point. Defying all logic, Cho's character got what he wanted... and had to face the repercussions.

The episode fell a bit flat for me- but it wasn't terrible.
 
I think it would have been better to have an adult candidate instead of the child. Take a more serious tone too. Have the candidate appear as a benevolent outsider who seems to really care about the people. The candidate is an outsider with no political experience. Heck, maybe the candidate is a homeless guy Ralph sees. Ralph sees it as a challenge, and as his golden ticket to fame. He gets what he wants. He gets the guy elected against huge odds, only to discover too late that he basically helped elect the next Hitler. Sure, it might be cliche but I think it would still accomplish the same overall theme and message but in a more serious, dark and realistic way.
 
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