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New Twilight Zone on CBSAA because of Disco's success

I read somewhere that it was Netflix (through international sales) that paid for a substantial portion of the production cost. If so, then the game changer might not be STD but the subscription model in general.

The interesting thing about this is that many subscribers probably pay to see shows other than STD.
 
Not so much paid to have the season produced but their payment to get the series on Netflix covered the cost of much of the production. There is a difference I think. I believe CBS itself still footed the bill initially to have things done. Just that the Netflix deal got them their money back right away. At least that's my understanding. Unless the deal was somehow inked before anything started which I think would be weird. I don't see Neflix agreeing without seeing anything produced first.
 
I have to believe that if Netflix footed the bill right from the start, then it would be available on Netflix in America.
 
I read somewhere that it was Netflix (through international sales) that paid for a substantial portion of the production cost. If so, then the game changer might not be STD but the subscription model in general.

The interesting thing about this is that many subscribers probably pay to see shows other than STD.
Not me. That's why this new Twilight Zone news is great news to me.
 
CBS CEO Les Moonves expressed a high amount of confidence in Star Trek: Discovery during the company’s quarterly earnings calls with investors. To emphasize the point, he told them they could have made a quick buck by selling the series the Netflix, Amazon, or Showtime. Instead, CBS chose to bet on itself.
“We could have put Star Trek on Showtime, on the CBS Television Network or Netflix, Amazon, they all wanted it for a lot of money,” Moonves told investors. “We determined that Star Trek would be far better for All Access and will earn us more money.”

When the subject later turned to the importance of entertainment industry sales outside the U.S., Moonves again brought up Star Trek: Discovery, saying:
“So every decision we make, the international marketplace becomes really really important. As Ted said, we couldn’t afford to do Star Trek, or the quality of the show, without Netflix help who bought the rest of the world, for a very nice fee may I add.”

CBS Corp. chief executive Les Moonves said the broad-reaching international sale of his company’s new Star Trek incarnation to Netflix paid for the show’s entire production budget.
“Netflix just took it off the table for the rest of the world,” Moonves told media investors at an annual UBS conference Monday. “Basically, Star Trek is going on CBS All Access for free.”

“The back end is now becoming more important than the front end,” Moonves added, noting that CBS couldn’t enable this model without back-end sales of the shows to buyers like Netflix.
While large SVOD platforms like Netflix, Amazon and Hulu provide this back-end sales solution, they are also a big part of the problem, the CBS chief noted.
With aggressive mandates to building up their original-series portfolios, “Netflix and Hulu have driven production costs up to astronomical levels,” Moonves said.
 
Not just an international market, but one that will be paying to access many TV shows and movies.
 
I read somewhere that it was Netflix (through international sales) that paid for a substantial portion of the production cost. If so, then the game changer might not be STD but the subscription model in general.

The interesting thing about this is that many subscribers probably pay to see shows other than STD.

You're right. STD is probably not actually doing that good but CBS won't admit it. Maybe if they cancel it and get a new show more true to canon that will be a bigger hit.

Probably.

Maybe.

Or just wishful thinking.
 
Sounds like CBS is REALLY happy with DSC's performance. Wouldn't it be funny if CBSAA turns out to be successful doing what UPN tried to do years ago, that is, use a new Trek show to spearhead the launch of a new, sci-fi heavy, channel?

And to add to the irony, have Les Moonves, who hated what UPN did, love it this time. Of course, most of that "love" is obviously about profit. But the good thing is, that profit is being generated by by the quality of DSC, so it's a win-win for the fans. :D
 
If you want more Star Trek that is not Discovery you should be rooting FOR Discovery. If Discovery fails instantly, the first instinct of Les Moonves will not be "We need more Star Trek".
 
If you want more Star Trek that is not Discovery you should be rooting FOR Discovery.

Then what we'll get is more Star Trek that's LIKE Discovery. If they think Discovery is the kind of Trek people will support, then why would the next Trek be significantly different? And if I don't care for Discovery, why would I want there to be another Trek that's pretty much the same thing?
 
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Then what we'll get is more Star Trek that's LIKE Discovery. If they think Discovery is the kind of Trek people will support, then why would the next Trek be significantly different? And if I don't care for Discovery, why would I want there to be another Trek that's pretty much the same thing?
Nah. The Trek movies gave us TNG. The success of TNG gave us DS9.
 
Nah. The Trek movies gave us TNG. The success of TNG gave us DS9.

And most recently the success of the Abrams films gave us Discovery. The more successful Trek is, the more the possibilities open up for different takes down the line.

This notion that CBS will only give the fans what they want if Discovery is a disaster is just foolish.
 
I'm not rooting for Discovery to fail. I'm not rooting for it to succeed, either. It doesn't interest me, and I don't care what happens to it. If you're enjoying it, enjoy away. What I find foolish is the notion that I have some obligation to support whatever is the current incarnation of the franchise, because there are other incarnations of it that I like and enjoy.

I would like to see more science fiction on TV that I like and enjoy, yes. But so far as I'm concerned, the name Star Trek is not some magic talisman that guarantees high quality or a pleasurable viewing experience. If at some point there's another incarnation of Star Trek that appeals to me, I'll gladly watch it. If there's not -- if there's never another incarnation of Star Trek at all -- I'll watch something else. For me it is really just that simple.
 
Nobody suggested that you personally are rooting for it to fail, rather that there are folks out there who share those sentiments and believe that doing what they do will send CBS a message. Problem is, the only message that CBS would get out of Discovery failing is "nobody wants Star Trek", thus fans will find themselves in the same predicament in 2005 when Trek died on television with no signs of returning soon.
 
Nobody suggested that you personally are rooting for it to fail, rather that there are folks out there who share those sentiments and believe that doing what they do will send CBS a message. Problem is, the only message that CBS would get out of Discovery failing is "nobody wants Star Trek", thus fans will find themselves in the same predicament in 2005 when Trek died on television with no signs of returning soon.
Exactly. They're viewing it in a black or white scenario, no grey areas. If DSC fails, they read it as no one wants another Trek series. There is no trial and error here. It's business.

If DSC fails, there will not be Trek as a series again for a long time. Not saying you have to watch it if you don't like it, as there seem to be enough people subscribed and are enjoying it. But if those people stop watching and dump their subscriptions, then Trek will go away. Liken it to a business trying a new product. If it ultimately doesn't sell enough to make the return on their investment and make a profit, the product is pulled.

Back to topic, I'm really excited at this news! I'll have Trek and TZ all in one spot with CBSAA! Jordan Peele seems to have a good mind for this style, so it could work really well!

He just needs to understand one thing that is hard to grasp when doing this type of series. It isn't just weirdness or trying to make absurd concepts. It's something else, summed in one word that I didn't fully know the meaning of until I saw the original TZ:

Irony.
 
I'll pay for this only if it sticks to the original Twilight Zone canon. If it's not black-and-white, features anything invented after 1964, and doesn't feature a smoking narrator in a business suit, then I cry foul.

It'll be that Forest Whitaker monstrosity all over again.
 
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