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[Melakon]

Well yeah, my suggestion that Beltan could have just not shown up has repercussions. But if contracts were drawn similar to DS9, he could have done what Terry Farrell did, and not signed for the 7th season. Maybe they promised him love scenes with Seven.

 

[Lynx]

I'm happy that Beltran stayed on until the final episodes of the show, despite his dislike of the clowns in charge.

Otherwise both my two top favorite characters had been destroyed and humiliated.

 

[Melakon]

On the opposite of that though, one of my favorites was created, and other favorites were strengthened as the series went on.

I was mixed about recurring character Icheb, because it seemed like he was trying out-monotone Seven.

 

[VST]

In fairness to Beltran, if someone had told me I was going to cop off with Jeri Ryan, I wouldn't have walked either!

 

[Melakon]

Oh, hell no. Garret Wang was probably wishing Harry had been the lucky guy. I thought she should have wound up with the Doctor though, but he blew that when he spilled his guts.

 

[VST]

Yeah I bet Picardo was bloody annoyed, given how much ground work the Doctor put in there! Poor hologram, classically 'friend zoned'.

 

[Lynx]

On the opposite of that though, one of my favorites was created, and other favorites were strengthened as the series went on.

I was mixed about recurring character Icheb, because it seemed like he was trying out-monotone Seven.

Created: Seven

Strenghtened: The Doctor

Weakened: Janeway

Wasted: Chakotay, Paris, Tuvok, Torres, Kim, Neelix

Destroyed: Kes

I never really liked Icheb or Vorik.

 

[Melakon]

Seven gave Janeway a jousting partner, which is what they should have been using Chakotay for. But everyone knows that on television, you can't have a man and woman sniping at each other for 7 years without them jumping in the sack.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

On the opposite of that though, one of my favorites was created, and other favorites were strengthened as the series went on.

I was mixed about recurring character Icheb, because it seemed like he was trying out-monotone Seven.

Created: Seven

Strenghtened: The Doctor

Weakened: Janeway

Wasted: Chakotay, Paris, Tuvok, Torres, Kim, Neelix

Destroyed: Kes

I never really liked Icheb or Vorik.

I disagree on B'Elanna and Tom being wasted more in Seasons 4-7. Their relationship was shown quite often. Tuvok was always underused in my opinion.

Also I don't think Janeway was ever weakened.

 

[jmiller]

Voyager is great! Good thing they only made 60 episodes. If they had tried to make, say, 170 of them they would have run out of good ideas and had to resort to lame holodeck stories and absurd premises, like, say, a method of propulsion that could get you home but causes you to then mutate into some lizard or something. Also they would have had to do a lot of stories where characters focus on their core character flaw and learn a lesson which they completely forget by the next episode. They also probably would have resorted to way too many time travel episodes, way too many episodes where the crew almost finds a shortcut home but then loses it because of morality or because it was all a trick or something, and countless TNG cameos.

Good thing they only did 60 so they never ran out of original ideas.

You win the thread. Congrats!

 

[2takesfrakes]

... it doesn't bother me too much that he is completely and utterly whipped by Janeway.

I view this from ... a different perspective:

"They" made Chakotay ache and long for Janeway in the same manner that Nurse Chapel ached and longed for Spock in The Original Series - and it made him look just as bad as Nurse Chapel did, for it. Maybe even worse, in some ways.

Q, on the other hand, obviously he went about it entirely the wrong way, but that's the joke of "The Q & the Grey," if I have my episodes right. He did not admire her from afar, sighing like a love-sick puppy. He embarassed himself in other ways - but again, that's just played for laughs, here - but he goes for it. He wants her and he made a move. And his persistance pays off in that they have a serious discussion, finally, about the idea of getting Janeway pregnant.

And the only reason she won't feed and water his seed is because she don't love him. But he got pretty far in that pursuit. Chakotay just embarasses himself in this "awe-shucks" kind of way, with his approach, when he should've had more balls, frankly. Why couldn't Chak have been written as more of a MAN?!?!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

On the opposite of that though, one of my favorites was created, and other favorites were strengthened as the series went on.

I was mixed about recurring character Icheb, because it seemed like he was trying out-monotone Seven.

Created: Seven

Strenghtened: The Doctor

Weakened: Janeway

Wasted: Chakotay, Paris, Tuvok, Torres, Kim, Neelix

Destroyed: Kes

I never really liked Icheb or Vorik.

I disagree on B'Elanna and Tom being wasted more in Seasons 4-7. Their relationship was shown quite often. Tuvok was always underused in my opinion.

Also I don't think Janeway was ever weakened.

4-7 strengthened everyone except, possibly, Chak and Harry. But I may be wrong there and am willing to read any Chak defenses about 4-7.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

Created: Seven

Strenghtened: The Doctor

Weakened: Janeway

Wasted: Chakotay, Paris, Tuvok, Torres, Kim, Neelix

Destroyed: Kes

I never really liked Icheb or Vorik.

I disagree on B'Elanna and Tom being wasted more in Seasons 4-7. Their relationship was shown quite often. Tuvok was always underused in my opinion.

Also I don't think Janeway was ever weakened.

4-7 strengthened everyone except, possibly, Chak and Harry. But I may be wrong there and am willing to read any Chak defenses about 4-7.

I agree with you!

Hmm... Chakotay had a lot more to do in Seasons 1-3, but it was also more cliched stuff. He was good in Shattered, Workforce, and some other later 4-7 eps I think. But when I go back and watch 1-3...there is def more Chakotay.

 

[BruntFCA]

If Beltran wanted more to do he should have been a better actor. If you look at the first season the EMH wasn't given any better material then Chakotey, the difference is that Picardo took what he was given and knocked it out of the park whereas Beltran didn't. "Heroes and Demons" is a terrible episode but Picardo is great in it.

 

[Melakon]

Beltran didn't have a lot of dynamics in his vocal range during his scenes, unlike Picardo, or Phillips, or just about anyone else. The tonalities in his voice are pretty much constant, with no highs or lows. It's like he was trying to underplay the character for some reason, instead of pulling out all the stops.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Do I have to post that video again.

 

[Melakon]

If it's his reaction to Seska going off on him, no, because that's what I was thinking of when I wrote it.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

And that was in season 1. So people saying he gave up later on because TPTB neglected his character are being insanely generous.

 

[Lynx]

Voyager is great! Good thing they only made 60 episodes. If they had tried to make, say, 170 of them they would have run out of good ideas and had to resort to lame holodeck stories and absurd premises, like, say, a method of propulsion that could get you home but causes you to then mutate into some lizard or something. Also they would have had to do a lot of stories where characters focus on their core character flaw and learn a lesson which they completely forget by the next episode. They also probably would have resorted to way too many time travel episodes, way too many episodes where the crew almost finds a shortcut home but then loses it because of morality or because it was all a trick or something, and countless TNG cameos.

Good thing they only did 60 so they never ran out of original ideas.

You win the thread. Congrats!

Voyager had 67 episodes if you count "Caretaker as two episodes. The last Voyager episode was "Worst Case Scenario".

Then Voyager ended and was replaced by a new series: Star Trek Seven Of Nine.

Captain Kathryn wrote:

I disagree on B'Elanna and Tom being wasted more in Seasons 4-7. Their relationship was shown quite often. Tuvok was always underused in my opinion.

Also I don't think Janeway was ever weakened.

The only thing that Tom and B'Elanna did in the later season was to show up their relationship. A relationship which was invented because those in charge had to show the world that both of them were still in the series.

Honestly, Janeway became a bit weird in some of the episodes in the later seasons. Not as good and effficient as in seasons 1-3 and that wasn't to her advantage.

Captain Kathryn wrote:

Hmm... Chakotay had a lot more to do in Seasons 1-3, but it was also more cliched stuff. He was good in Shattered, Workforce, and some other later 4-7 eps I think. But when I go back and watch 1-3...there is def more Chakotay.

Do it. The season 1-3 episodes are much better!

teacake wrote:

4-7 strengthened everyone except, possibly, Chak and Harry. But I may be wrong there and am willing to read any Chak defenses about 4-7.

I dissagre. They were all shoved in the background, except for Seven, The Doc and Janeway.
B'Elanna became superflous when Seven took over her duties. Who need an engineer when everything can be fixed with Seven's Borg Technology? Tom wasn't even funny anymore. Neelix became boring (just watch "Mortal Coil"), Tuvok became a moving image in the background (visible but still not there), Chakotay and Harry became as important as Ayala and Carey.

I'm not gonna take up the Kes case here.

I can't understand that so many tries to defend Berman and his gang. Thet were a bunch of clowns who ruined a great series. I'm not that fond of the current Trek movies but there is at least one positive thing about them and that is the fact that people like Berman, Braga, J.Taylor, Fuller and M.Taylor aren't involved in it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

"After I died, I couldn't find God anywhere" sounds like a comedy to you?

How much Russian blood is running through your veins?