It's funny thing really. I saw Nemesis three times. Totally had no idea it would be the last, but there you go.
New TNG movie?
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Oh definitely by choice. Trying to work out why it left me feeling cold and empty inside, I guess.
You know... Is it me, or it the film? Data gets blown up and I just feel nothing.
I had a similar experience with the film after, but without any need for two additional viewings to figure out what the problem is...
You know... Is it me, or it the film? Data gets blown up and I just feel nothing.
I had a similar experience with the film after, but without any need for two additional viewings to figure out what the problem is...
Movie Data wasn't the Data we all came to know and love.
I don't think that's true at all. I'd agree that Generations got the character off to a bad start, by wanting to have him evolve more or less instantly and that came unstuck. The film was treated like an extension of the TV show - Duras sisters, emotion chips, references to Picard's family (who we are told have died offscreen). It was too many continuity references for an opening film, in my opinion. When it ought to have been more of reintroduction from scratch. More accessible to those who knew nothing about what had gone on before. Hard to do that and continue a plot from "Family" or "Descent". Once the emotion chip was switched on, Data started behaving differently and I think that wasn't necessarily a good way to have begun TNG on the big screen either. Those who didn't know who Data was, probably had completely the wrong first impression. The humour forced itself into something cruder, rather than playing to Brent Spiner's strengths - like Stan Laurel, seeming to innocently cause hilarity around him. Starting a joke but not getting it himself. When it changed to him understanding punchlines involving Ferengis wearing Gorilla suits, it wasn't as much fun. First Contact dabbled with the chip, in a way that was funnier though. To me, Insurrection finally gave us one of the best portrayals and absolutely 100% what he had been in the TV show. Michael Piller brought that I would assume. Or maybe Brent conceeding what had and hadn't worked in the other two films.
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So much of "Generations" was dictated by the studio, including a lot of plot points. I'm not sure where the "Data acting as a jerk emotion chip" thing came from, but I was glad to see it go by "Insurrection." In fact, that and Troi and Riker getting back together were about the only things I liked about that or any of the other TNG films. Except for TATV, I think Berman was a great show runner for ST in television form, but the films were awful. Even that may not really be his fault as we do not know (to date) how much of the other three films were dictated by the studio and Stewart/Spiner.
A new TNG film would have been difficult enough with the original crew, because half the crew left at the Enterprise at the end. Not sure it would be possible to use entire members from the other two series. But members from those series could have been used to fill in the command crew of the Enterprise and Titan.
I to felt Data's loss was as pointless as the E-D in Generations. Maybe if he had been damaged beyond repair, but long enough for Geordie to say good bye it would have made more of an impact. After all they were as close as Kirk and Spock were than Data was to Picard.
As for the Data age thing, I suppose they could have come up with a way to make him human. Maybe at the end of the another movie, he somehow insults Q or a Q enough to make Data human to teach him a lesson. I think Spiner was just tired of playing the part.
I to felt Data's loss was as pointless as the E-D in Generations. Maybe if he had been damaged beyond repair, but long enough for Geordie to say good bye it would have made more of an impact. After all they were as close as Kirk and Spock were than Data was to Picard.
As for the Data age thing, I suppose they could have come up with a way to make him human. Maybe at the end of the another movie, he somehow insults Q or a Q enough to make Data human to teach him a lesson. I think Spiner was just tired of playing the part.
A TNG movie could work, since it still has weight in pop culture terms (along with TOS).
But Sir Patrick Stewart doesn't want to play the Picard again. Frakes has aged a lot and now has middle aged spread (I can't see a big Riker being feasible). Spiner wanted Data killed off, though I'm not sure how McFadden, Dorn, Sirtis and Burton stand. I'm sure Whoopi Goldberg would be up to it, even though she was not a main character in the show.
The big question is whether people would see it, and a TNG movie has as said pop culture behind it (hence more demand at the box office). A DS9/Voyager movie is out of the question. Which TV show, which has had low ratings and little mainstream public appeal, has ever made a successful movie? As sales and profits are the key goals of any company, I can't see Paramount risking spending millions only to see a poor return.
But Sir Patrick Stewart doesn't want to play the Picard again. Frakes has aged a lot and now has middle aged spread (I can't see a big Riker being feasible). Spiner wanted Data killed off, though I'm not sure how McFadden, Dorn, Sirtis and Burton stand. I'm sure Whoopi Goldberg would be up to it, even though she was not a main character in the show.
The big question is whether people would see it, and a TNG movie has as said pop culture behind it (hence more demand at the box office). A DS9/Voyager movie is out of the question. Which TV show, which has had low ratings and little mainstream public appeal, has ever made a successful movie? As sales and profits are the key goals of any company, I can't see Paramount risking spending millions only to see a poor return.
A nice way to handle it may be to bring in some of the characters of the other 24th century Trek series. I was fortunate to be a TNG fan, but I can't imagine what it must have been like to be into DS9 or Voyager with a little chatter about the characters appearing in either their own or a TNG movie and it never happening. I think it would do right by the many fans of the 24th century Trek series.
I happen to think Patrick Stewart is more interesting than ever now that he is more comfortable with being older and not competing with the 38 year old Shatner anymore. But I'm picturing an all star team of greedy agents launching an attack on the barrackaded walls of Bad Robot. JJ has more sophistocated weapons since he's younger and will live longer, which of course makes him more right. That and being the son of a suit.
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