New TNG movie?
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Highly unlikely to ever happen... I'm required to say that or spend the next few hours in an agony booth!
Probably more than just TNG, if they were ever going to try and attract the largest possible amount of interest from the pre-2009 fanbase.
Miles O'Brien ought to have been reunited with his former crew mates for one and he's more of a DS9 character. But he left the Station to teach at the Academy or whatever, and a few lines in a script - or his own scene matching others being "rounded up" and he's suddenly aboard the Enterprise-E taking care of Engineering. LaForge's off Captaining the Challenger.
Worf's back in the Klingon Empire and crops up somewhere in the film, but in the meantime Tuvok's aboard as Security.
Probably more than just TNG, if they were ever going to try and attract the largest possible amount of interest from the pre-2009 fanbase.
Miles O'Brien ought to have been reunited with his former crew mates for one and he's more of a DS9 character. But he left the Station to teach at the Academy or whatever, and a few lines in a script - or his own scene matching others being "rounded up" and he's suddenly aboard the Enterprise-E taking care of Engineering. LaForge's off Captaining the Challenger.
Worf's back in the Klingon Empire and crops up somewhere in the film, but in the meantime Tuvok's aboard as Security.
Let's see... since this is Christmas come early and my fantasy, what else would be in there?
A film about the Federation in the early 25th Century trying to make peace with the Romulans.
An EMH in sickbay to get all the funny lines in the movie.
A white bearded Admiral Picard giving orders over subspace and showing up at a peace conference or a trial with the Romulans at the end.
Riker leaving a crippled in battle U.S.S. Titan at a major tuning point in the film, to assume command of the Enterprise.
A B-4 cameo, and consider myself lucky to get that, given Brent Spiner said no to Data and the aging issue for years.
Several flashback sequences featuring the NX-01 taking a pounding during the Earth-Romulan War... mainly for a Scott Bakula guest appearance, but whoever else from ENT would do a cameo.
Why would I invite Enterprise into this? Well, for a bit of history that comes back to haunt the Federation. There's some 250 year-old visual evidence the Romulans get their hands on. It turns up on Quirinus (that's the name of the Romulans adopted homeworld) and points to an attrocity Admiral Archer apparently committed, in order to end the war quickly and allow the Federation to come together. This evidence has resurfaced during a key moment a peace deal is going on. In the end, it is disproved with the help of a now very old Shran, who was assigned to Earth Starfleet at the time, who comes out of hiding and testifies. The plot is exposed as the work of conspirators aiming to keep a once proud empire from merging into the Federation, to join their Vulcan brothers.
Picard would obviously be defending in some big trial. Some slimy Romulan prosecutor dredging up all the wrongs the Federation has ever allowed to happen. Shame that can't be Tomalak or Sela. Riker rushing around the quadrant and going up against some strong opposition to get the Enterprise and Shran, back to Quirinus in one piece with evidence to prove the Archer footage has been faked.
Ideally Ambassador Spock somehow. But since he disappeared into a black hole and never returned...
I'll just keep on throwing the fanboy pitches out there, until something from the Prime Universe sticks!
A film about the Federation in the early 25th Century trying to make peace with the Romulans.
An EMH in sickbay to get all the funny lines in the movie.
A white bearded Admiral Picard giving orders over subspace and showing up at a peace conference or a trial with the Romulans at the end.
Riker leaving a crippled in battle U.S.S. Titan at a major tuning point in the film, to assume command of the Enterprise.
A B-4 cameo, and consider myself lucky to get that, given Brent Spiner said no to Data and the aging issue for years.
Several flashback sequences featuring the NX-01 taking a pounding during the Earth-Romulan War... mainly for a Scott Bakula guest appearance, but whoever else from ENT would do a cameo.
Why would I invite Enterprise into this? Well, for a bit of history that comes back to haunt the Federation. There's some 250 year-old visual evidence the Romulans get their hands on. It turns up on Quirinus (that's the name of the Romulans adopted homeworld) and points to an attrocity Admiral Archer apparently committed, in order to end the war quickly and allow the Federation to come together. This evidence has resurfaced during a key moment a peace deal is going on. In the end, it is disproved with the help of a now very old Shran, who was assigned to Earth Starfleet at the time, who comes out of hiding and testifies. The plot is exposed as the work of conspirators aiming to keep a once proud empire from merging into the Federation, to join their Vulcan brothers.
Picard would obviously be defending in some big trial. Some slimy Romulan prosecutor dredging up all the wrongs the Federation has ever allowed to happen. Shame that can't be Tomalak or Sela. Riker rushing around the quadrant and going up against some strong opposition to get the Enterprise and Shran, back to Quirinus in one piece with evidence to prove the Archer footage has been faked.
Ideally Ambassador Spock somehow. But since he disappeared into a black hole and never returned...
I'll just keep on throwing the fanboy pitches out there, until something from the Prime Universe sticks!
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I think any new TNG movie, if one happens, is likely to be a reboot in the future after the current AbramsTrek movies are over, and will therefore have an entirely new cast. The casts of current TNG, DS9, etc. will at that point be too old to be main characters, but could appear in a Leonard Nimoy-in-Star Trek XI-type fashion.
I think I am abord for Christopher Pike's sequel.
But you have to bring Trip back somehow because I just had a nervous breakdown after watching the last episode of Enterprise and that would make everything ok for me.
Is it too much to ask to have him make out with T'Pol? Or maybe you could include some offspring so the stupid breakup shit goes away from my mind. (Why would people with a psychic connection breakup, seriously).
Man.. I thought I was mad when TNG ended... I had seen NOTHING.
But you have to bring Trip back somehow because I just had a nervous breakdown after watching the last episode of Enterprise and that would make everything ok for me.
Is it too much to ask to have him make out with T'Pol? Or maybe you could include some offspring so the stupid breakup shit goes away from my mind. (Why would people with a psychic connection breakup, seriously).
Man.. I thought I was mad when TNG ended... I had seen NOTHING.
You mean 25 or so characters all vying to get their individual stories in within a 2-hour movie?
Er, what crew? There's just Picard, Worf, and Geordi.
How about a CGI Data character?
Make it like one of those old Russian or Swedish "art" film, fourteen hours long, with lot's of suicides.
Actually thought of a way to involve Spock. Just have him in the first few scenes of the movie. Basically replaying the Red Matter incident in more detail, ending with the destruction of Romulus, to act as the big Praxis-like explosion opening.
After the main titles the onscreen caption "In the 25th Century...", with an old bearded, Admiral Picard teaching a class at Starfleet Academy about early Federation history.
Next scene on the Titan on its way to provide aid to the Romulans, when it's attacked and destroyed.
An attempt to round-up TNG characters happens, but some are too far away and agree to lend what help they can. Worf and LaForge appearing later, one in a Klingon ship and the other Captain of another Federation ship. So the Enterprise-E is pulled out of mothballs and sent out with whoever is available. Admiral Picard advising, an all-new character as Captain (he's dead for sure!
), Miles O'Brien in Engineering, Tuvok at Security/Tactical, an EMH in sickbay (maybe the VOY one, since he's given full rights as an individual) and maybe Deanna Troi too, because career drove the marriage apart at this point.
Beverly Crusher and B-4/Data can't make it but put in cameos. Probably doing their best to help off screen and then passing information along. Popping up in transmissions to the Enterprise or the Titan once or twice.
Riker and surviving Titan crewmembers are rescued from imprisonment. They were due to be publically excuted in a broadcast in front of the whole Star Empire or something like that.
Sela's involved somehow. Either helping or more likely behind the attempt to rally Romulans in one last fight to bring down the Federation.
Quirinus (although I'm so sure about that TBH) being the name of a new capital planet survivors fled to. But it continues a Roman mythical influence - it being the name of a deity Romulus was supposed to have become after his death.
A stopover at DS9 to retreive information (for a price naturally) from Quark on the whereabouts of an extremely eldery Andorian, who can provide the evidence needed to sway the Romulans.
Then a bit more Spock towards the end of the film, where evidence is exchanged hands. Picard provides proof that the historical record at the heart of all this, has been forged - Archer didn't give orders to destroy a Romulan ship carrying dignitaries trying to broker peace, on the day the Federation was born. Refuting a conspiracy that could lead to what's left of the Star Empire launching into another war. And the Prateor reveals some unreleased information he has on Ambassador Spock's fate. Like a last recorded final transmission or message received from the Vulcan a lá "The Immunity Syndrome". Yes, I'm basically ignoring Countdown to have a bit more Nimoy in it.
From that, the new mix n' match Enterprise-E crew are somehow able to determine from Spock's transmission that he survived and made it through to the other side.
Call it Star Trek: Legacy. As it effectively criss-crosses all the old generations with the same plot. From a TOS character at the start, to TNG/VGR ones coming together, some unseen ENT to fight over and a dash of DS9.
After the main titles the onscreen caption "In the 25th Century...", with an old bearded, Admiral Picard teaching a class at Starfleet Academy about early Federation history.
Next scene on the Titan on its way to provide aid to the Romulans, when it's attacked and destroyed.
An attempt to round-up TNG characters happens, but some are too far away and agree to lend what help they can. Worf and LaForge appearing later, one in a Klingon ship and the other Captain of another Federation ship. So the Enterprise-E is pulled out of mothballs and sent out with whoever is available. Admiral Picard advising, an all-new character as Captain (he's dead for sure!
), Miles O'Brien in Engineering, Tuvok at Security/Tactical, an EMH in sickbay (maybe the VOY one, since he's given full rights as an individual) and maybe Deanna Troi too, because career drove the marriage apart at this point.Beverly Crusher and B-4/Data can't make it but put in cameos. Probably doing their best to help off screen and then passing information along. Popping up in transmissions to the Enterprise or the Titan once or twice.
Riker and surviving Titan crewmembers are rescued from imprisonment. They were due to be publically excuted in a broadcast in front of the whole Star Empire or something like that.
Sela's involved somehow. Either helping or more likely behind the attempt to rally Romulans in one last fight to bring down the Federation.
Quirinus (although I'm so sure about that TBH) being the name of a new capital planet survivors fled to. But it continues a Roman mythical influence - it being the name of a deity Romulus was supposed to have become after his death.
A stopover at DS9 to retreive information (for a price naturally) from Quark on the whereabouts of an extremely eldery Andorian, who can provide the evidence needed to sway the Romulans.
Then a bit more Spock towards the end of the film, where evidence is exchanged hands. Picard provides proof that the historical record at the heart of all this, has been forged - Archer didn't give orders to destroy a Romulan ship carrying dignitaries trying to broker peace, on the day the Federation was born. Refuting a conspiracy that could lead to what's left of the Star Empire launching into another war. And the Prateor reveals some unreleased information he has on Ambassador Spock's fate. Like a last recorded final transmission or message received from the Vulcan a lá "The Immunity Syndrome". Yes, I'm basically ignoring Countdown to have a bit more Nimoy in it.
From that, the new mix n' match Enterprise-E crew are somehow able to determine from Spock's transmission that he survived and made it through to the other side.
Call it Star Trek: Legacy. As it effectively criss-crosses all the old generations with the same plot. From a TOS character at the start, to TNG/VGR ones coming together, some unseen ENT to fight over and a dash of DS9.
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At this point, I think we all realize that this all star movie or series would probably annoy the heck out of all of us more than satisfy our sense of loss that it is all over. Imagine how convoluted it would be. (To those of you who felt the need to imply that geek fantasizing was stupid, we know, but sometimes it is fun to be a little nostalgic, it is not THAT serious, that you have to become condescending.
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On the other hand, I wonder if any of us could ever be satisfied with totally new premises, but it is really the only way to do things right. Or maybe a spin off based around a character of a specific detail. Do these work though? For example was Torchwood a succes compared to Dr.Who? (I have no clue, I actually never got to Torchwood, was it worth it?) If you really want a flashback without being too foreign to new viewers, you'd need to pick ONE thing. One character, or one specific event, one race, I don't know. Another series that would just try to continue would probably flop.
So what would be the ONE thing that would make a good start to a new series or movie. Based on the Torchwood idea, maybe Section 31 could be...?
Although the character I really want to know about is Data, there is not much to go around the fact that androids shouldn't get rounder and older, although human actors do. Offsprings of X are kind of cheesy to me. Do kids follow their parents footsteps that much?
At this point the only actors that haven't had that much time to age are the Enterprise ones, but I wouldn't know where to start to repair the deplorable "These are the Voyages" season 4 finale. (Just thinking about it makes me a little irritated).
White bearded Picard teaching history, Deep Space Ethics, or alien anthropology is a seductive idea too, but it would fast become Tales from the Crypt: In Space.
Finally, the time agency proved not the be too popular so that's a no go.
)On the other hand, I wonder if any of us could ever be satisfied with totally new premises, but it is really the only way to do things right. Or maybe a spin off based around a character of a specific detail. Do these work though? For example was Torchwood a succes compared to Dr.Who? (I have no clue, I actually never got to Torchwood, was it worth it?) If you really want a flashback without being too foreign to new viewers, you'd need to pick ONE thing. One character, or one specific event, one race, I don't know. Another series that would just try to continue would probably flop.
So what would be the ONE thing that would make a good start to a new series or movie. Based on the Torchwood idea, maybe Section 31 could be...?
Although the character I really want to know about is Data, there is not much to go around the fact that androids shouldn't get rounder and older, although human actors do. Offsprings of X are kind of cheesy to me. Do kids follow their parents footsteps that much?
At this point the only actors that haven't had that much time to age are the Enterprise ones, but I wouldn't know where to start to repair the deplorable "These are the Voyages" season 4 finale. (Just thinking about it makes me a little irritated).
White bearded Picard teaching history, Deep Space Ethics, or alien anthropology is a seductive idea too, but it would fast become Tales from the Crypt: In Space.
Finally, the time agency proved not the be too popular so that's a no go.
Yes I'll admit, I've cooled on this idea now too.
Too much water has flowed under too many burnt bridges...
Too much water has flowed under too many burnt bridges...
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I have hear from Jonathan Frakers trying make TNG movie about new starship for Riker. I think Paramount do not want to. I guess. I am not sure. I dont think so DS9 and VOY would be movies. I think DS9 and VOY is over from tv show. I dont know why they cannot make movies.
Because JJ Abrams is making Star Trek movies with a new cast, that's why.
Paramount isn't going to touch TNG until they've exhausted all other avenues with the Abramsverse. Let's look at the reasons why:
1. TNG hasn't been on the air in over 17 years.
2. The TNG era hasn't been on the air in over a decade.
3. TNG hasn't been on screen in almost 10 years.
4. A successful TNG movie hasn't been produced in the last 13-15 years (depending on what you consider successful).
5. The cast has aged past believability.
6. Data, a key figure of TNG from the first episode wouldn't be played by the same actor.
7. Paramount made their money back and then some with the reboot. They lost money on the last TNG.
8. DS9 and Voyager never had enough of an audience to warrant a film when they were on the air, much less a dozen-or-so years after they wrapped.
9. Fans bitched about the reboot and mocked how Worf was able to appear in FC, Ins, and Nemesis with little explanation. What logical reason would the captain of one ship, the captain of another ship and his wife, a "special" android, the former engineer and now captain of yet another ship, an ambassador, the Chief of Starfleet Medical, the Emissary to the prophets and his kid who's now in his 30s, a professor, a shapeshifter who went back to the homegoo, their doctor, the commander of an aging spacestation, some Trill, an admiral, a Borg, an antiquated EMH, a Vulcan security officer, a Native American officer, a Klingon-Human engineer, a pilot, and a perpetual ensign have to all be together?
1. TNG hasn't been on the air in over 17 years.
2. The TNG era hasn't been on the air in over a decade.
3. TNG hasn't been on screen in almost 10 years.
4. A successful TNG movie hasn't been produced in the last 13-15 years (depending on what you consider successful).
5. The cast has aged past believability.
6. Data, a key figure of TNG from the first episode wouldn't be played by the same actor.
7. Paramount made their money back and then some with the reboot. They lost money on the last TNG.
8. DS9 and Voyager never had enough of an audience to warrant a film when they were on the air, much less a dozen-or-so years after they wrapped.
9. Fans bitched about the reboot and mocked how Worf was able to appear in FC, Ins, and Nemesis with little explanation. What logical reason would the captain of one ship, the captain of another ship and his wife, a "special" android, the former engineer and now captain of yet another ship, an ambassador, the Chief of Starfleet Medical, the Emissary to the prophets and his kid who's now in his 30s, a professor, a shapeshifter who went back to the homegoo, their doctor, the commander of an aging spacestation, some Trill, an admiral, a Borg, an antiquated EMH, a Vulcan security officer, a Native American officer, a Klingon-Human engineer, a pilot, and a perpetual ensign have to all be together?
Props for "homegoo."
While I agree. We're not likely to see the 24th Century on television ever again... Having accepted that, you are being a bit short-sighted and a little too over pessimistic about the endless possibility the Star Trek Universe is capable of.
So six or seven crew members from that ultimate list, each with their own speciality, and two guests along for the ride...
I bagsie Miles O'Brien to look after Engineering!
The reason would be the same one you would use to thin the line-up out a bit. The Starfleet ones can be selected for a mission at any time. That's their job. They basically have to go where an Admiral sends them... or get themselves a different career. You can maybe select one (or two) mission advisors from outside the Federation but that's it.
So six or seven crew members from that ultimate list, each with their own speciality, and two guests along for the ride...
I bagsie Miles O'Brien to look after Engineering!
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There's a fine line between "endless" and "believable". Star Trek VI wasn't all that "believable" because you had one ship crewed with several captains and everyone was in their 60s.
It's the future. People live longer. Retire later.
Hell, we're going to have to do that here in the 21st Century. With many of us not having pensions sorted and Governments continually moving the goal posts in line with life expectancy.
Bottom line with TOS, was their fans wanting to see them again, and since a fair few of those fans worked within Paramount - they made it happen.
No such resonance in the industry for Star Trek series beyond that one it would seem... but even without that support, it shouldn't be spoiling the places our imaginations could be taking us. That's just about the tail wagging the dog isn't it?
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And that's what it comes down to.
We won't ever see another TNG movie because (for whatever reason) the fans didn't want to see the last TNG movie.
Movies are made for the general public. We won't ever see another TNG movie because (for whatever reason) even the fans didn't want to see the last TNG movie.
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