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New Star Wars animated show "Rebels" coming fall 2014

I loved what TCW did with the Mandalorians, even if the execution was kind of flawed. I am curious what they're going to do with Sabine though - making her an actual Mandalorian is certainly a valid choice, maybe give her backstory some sort of closure on just what became of the Mandalorians after Satine was killed and war broke out... again.

Well, as a huge fan of the EU mandalorians, the TCW version was the equivalent of finding out that Mr. Spock was a weirdo and that most vulcans were actually violent psychopaths. What TCW did went against a lot of established (and great) stories, and as a fan of established Mandalorians, to me it was THE worst thing that was done to the old EU before they threw it out.

I could see how someone who wasn't invested in that part of SW wouldn't mind, but to me its an infuriating plot and the main reason its taken me so long to watch the show. I've just decided to ignore the episodes and pretend they don't exist, which means I can enjoy the majority of the show, which doesn't retcon one of my most liked parts of SW into a completely unrecognizable form.
 
You have to admit, though: seeing Obi-Wan go to Mandalore in disguise and wearing a suit of Mandalorian armor was a great moment in the series. Some fans have even customized their own figures of Obi-Wan in Mandalorian armor because it's just such a cool concept to make into plastic form.
 
You have to admit, though: seeing Obi-Wan go to Mandalore in disguise and wearing a suit of Mandalorian armor was a great moment in the series. Some fans have even customized their own figures of Obi-Wan in Mandalorian armor because it's just such a cool concept to make into plastic form.

Well, I've never seen that, but googling it the pics its an interesting image, but not worth the rage watching the episode would give me :lol: The only episode I may watch with the New Mandalorians is the one where (and I learned this when I was looking up the New Mandalorians)

Darth Maul completely justifies his resurrection by literally fulfilling a wish I've had since learning about the NM and Satine :devil: Seriously, Satine getting impaled on a lightsaber by Darth Maul makes me completely forgive the show for bringing him back from the dead, and Satine's death is something I've wanted to see since I learned about what TCW did to the mandalorians. It doesn't fix the mandalorians, but its a nice consolation prize for fans of the real Mandalorians :techman:
 
I liked what they did with the Mandalorians. After spending thousands of years as a warrior culture razing and conquering worlds, only to keep getting beaten back and losing everything each time, it makes sense to me that they would finally give up that lifestyle and transition to a more pacifist way of life where their people could actually live and prosper. Besides, there were still some holdovers who kept to the old ways.
 
^ Indeed. It makes perfect sense, and one of the tragedies is that Mandalore - and, really, the entire neutral faction - becomes another victim of the Clone Wars.

What TCW did went against a lot of established (and great) stories, and as a fan of established Mandalorians, to me it was THE worst thing that was done to the old EU before they threw it out.

The only episode I may watch with the New Mandalorians is the one where (and I learned this when I was looking up the New Mandalorians)

Darth Maul completely justifies his resurrection by literally fulfilling a wish I've had since learning about the NM and Satine :devil: Seriously, Satine getting impaled on a lightsaber by Darth Maul makes me completely forgive the show for bringing him back from the dead, and Satine's death is something I've wanted to see since I learned about what TCW did to the mandalorians. It doesn't fix the mandalorians, but its a nice consolation prize for fans of the real Mandalorians :techman:

Well, as pointed out the implication is this is a very recent thing ie something in its first generation, something new since what they'd always done before wasn't working. So the vast majority of Mandalorian history doesn't change.

And that would be a mistake to watch just that one episode, as it's the climax tying up two of the major subplots running through the entire series (brilliantly brought together, IMO). Though major props to Obi-Wan for not falling to the Dark Side right then and there unlike a certain Skywalker.
 
Well, as pointed out the implication is this is a very recent thing ie something in its first generation, something new since what they'd always done before wasn't working. So the vast majority of Mandalorian history doesn't change.

And that would be a mistake to watch just that one episode, as it's the climax tying up two of the major subplots running through the entire series (brilliantly brought together, IMO). Though major props to Obi-Wan for not falling to the Dark Side right then and there unlike a certain Skywalker.

Well, as far as I'm concerned, the Mandalorian stuff didn't happen. It was in no way brilliant to me, its infuriating. The only mandalorians are warriors, and their deserts are, well, deserted. The warrior way worked for thousands of years, and continued to work long past TCW. Its kind of like how Vader never yelled "NOOOOO" in Return of the Jedi, and how many still think Han shot first. It may have eventually been disproved "on screen", but its up to the individual fan to decide what they accept. I don't accept that the mandalorian episodes of TCW ever happened. I will accept that

A random psycho Obi Wan knew named Satine got exactly what she deserved, but she was in no way related to the mandalorians

I've never hated anything that was screwed with in SW as much as the destruction of the mandalorians, so I intend to do what's best for my enjoyment of the SW franchise. I'll ignore their every appearance, until the one I've already mentioned. That's really all I have to say on the matter, its getting the thread really off topic.
 
^Isn't most of what Traviss wrote about the Mandos based after the events of Jedi, if not further into the future and after the events of New Jedi Order. If, so, you're looking at thirty, possibly even sixty years into the future from the events of Clone Wars. So I don't see why both the events depicted in both can not be possible, the pacifism was a "social experiment" that didn't work out. Upto sixty years is a very long time, hell, thirty years is a long time. American society hasn't remained static in that time period, so why should it remain static for a fictional construct like the Mando's.

On a side note, I really liked Traviss's depiction of them in Legacy of the Force, but I also liked them in Clone Wars because of the tragedy that went with them. It takes a lot of balls to go from a war mongering mercenary society to that of pacifism.
 
The problem with the EU version of Mando society is that it's utterly unworkable. You can't have a whole civilization of mercenary warriors always out looking to prove themselves in battle. For one thing, they'd starve.
Basically it was a highly romanticised and fetishised take on ancient Sparta, with some Celtish sensibilities thrown in...with jetpacks.

TCW showed a much more credible vision of Mandalore, while still keeping the notion of an ancient warrior tradition that (for a change) they weren't entirely proud of.

Now that I think about it, wasn't the idea that Fett was Mandalorian (and the notion of Mandalorians in general) a total EU retcon? Originally I'm pretty sure he was supposed to be just some old relic from the Clone Wars (presumably a left over clone commando) hence the initial armour design being all white. Or at least Fett was just wearing the armor of one. Indeed, between the Wookie braid and Vader's warning to him, I get the impression that he was meant to be a really nasty piece of work, not some honourable and noble warrior.
 
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NOT assuming that an entire race of people is NOT all of one thing with everyone having the same mind set is racist THERE I SAID IT!!!

:p
 
The problem with the EU version of Mando society is that it's utterly unworkable. You can't have a whole civilization of mercenary warriors always out looking to prove themselves in battle. For one thing, they'd starve.
Basically it was a highly romanticised and fetishised take on ancient Sparta, with some Celtish sensibilities thrown in...with jetpacks.

Karen traviss had mandos as a group of warriors, but they weren't obsessed with fighting. Many of them were farmers when they weren't fighting, it was actually stated in both RC and especially Legacy of the Force that, while they're always ready to take someone's credits, at home they're very family oriented, and farming is a big thing for many of the families. Boba Fett was actually surprised by that in LotF. He couldn't get as many mandos as he wanted for a mission, because it was harvest season and many were busy on their farms.

Basically, Mandos weren't klingons. Everyone of them, from about the age of seven, were trained to fight, but the whole group wasn't fighting simultaneously, and many didn't spend the majority of their time as mercenaries. Generally speaking, the group was basically only very loosely organized, with little government, because they didn't need it. But, there was still a huge group that had homes, farmed, ran businesses, and did things other people do, they just did it while also having the ability to kick most people's butts.

They grouped together if they were threatened, but they still ended up with usually having a consistent population at home doing normal people things, and by the time Boba Fett became mandalore (after NJO) he started bring the clans together and they basically had a planet of several million warrior mandalorians who were doing things normal for a planet population. Of course, there were a lot of mandalorians who were just mercenaries with no ties or who spent most of their time doing more stereotypical mando things, but there were a lot who were a mix, or who just stayed at home unless they were needed.

^Isn't most of what Traviss wrote about the Mandos based after the events of Jedi, if not further into the future and after the events of New Jedi Order. If, so, you're looking at thirty, possibly even sixty years into the future from the events of Clone Wars. So I don't see why both the events depicted in both can not be possible, the pacifism was a "social experiment" that didn't work out. Upto sixty years is a very long time, hell, thirty years is a long time. American society hasn't remained static in that time period, so why should it remain static for a fictional construct like the Mando's.

On a side note, I really liked Traviss's depiction of them in Legacy of the Force, but I also liked them in Clone Wars because of the tragedy that went with them. It takes a lot of balls to go from a war mongering mercenary society to that of pacifism.

Her Republic commando books started right after the battle of genosis and ended a few months after ROTS. They are completely at odds with TCW, and they are far superior to what that show did. Her LotF books were set about 20 years after NJO., or about 60 years after ROTS.
 
And here I always used to think Boba Fett was just a mercenary who scored some really cool armor along the way. :p

The idea that he's part of some long tradition of proud warriors, yadda yadda.... it just seems like overkill to me. Not every minor SW alien or character needs to have some deep, complicated history behind it.
 
I'm gonna have to disagree about the quality of Traviss' contributions to the EU. From a technical standpoint she's a fine writer, but her overly militaristic anti-Jedi style was all wrong for Star Wars. Her three Legacy of the Force books brought that whole series down. (Although Troy Denning's final book was also terrible, so it wasn't entirely on Traviss.) One of the best things about TCW's take on Mandalorians was it led to her leaving the EU. I've seen some Halo books written by her since then. I haven't read any of them yet, but I think that setting is a much better match for her.
 
I'll ignore their every appearance, until the one I've already mentioned. That's really all I have to say on the matter, its getting the thread really off topic.

I mean, you're certainly free to do that but I just think it would be very confusing since that single episode is the tail end of a pretty involved arc. At the very least even if you just focused on the Maul stuff you'd have more episodes with Mandalorians.

That said, that episode does have an awesome lightsaber fight.

Plus, whatever insult you might have about Satine - coward, weakling, naive, childish, utopian, fool - "psycho" is probably the last one that applies. ;)
 
I'll ignore their every appearance, until the one I've already mentioned. That's really all I have to say on the matter, its getting the thread really off topic.

I mean, you're certainly free to do that but I just think it would be very confusing since that single episode is the tail end of a pretty involved arc. At the very least even if you just focused on the Maul stuff you'd have more episodes with Mandalorians.

That said, that episode does have an awesome lightsaber fight.

Plus, whatever insult you might have about Satine - coward, weakling, naive, childish, utopian, fool - "psycho" is probably the last one that applies. ;)

Yeah, maybe psycho was uncalled for. Its just the first thing that came to mind. As for Maul, outside of the one mandalorian episode, I'll watch anything he's in that doesn't involve mandalorians. For everything else, there's wookieepedia. ;)

With the mandalorian episode I do intend to watch, I don't care about the arc itself. i'm watching it for one scene, the context of which really doesn't matter. Its more of a cathartic thing, I could care less about its impact or relationship to the arc of a group I'm pretending doesn't exist :shrug:
 
I'm gonna have to disagree about the quality of Traviss' contributions to the EU. From a technical standpoint she's a fine writer, but her overly militaristic anti-Jedi style was all wrong for Star Wars. Her three Legacy of the Force books brought that whole series down. (Although Troy Denning's final book was also terrible, so it wasn't entirely on Traviss.) One of the best things about TCW's take on Mandalorians was it led to her leaving the EU. I've seen some Halo books written by her since then. I haven't read any of them yet, but I think that setting is a much better match for her.

The last time I re-read LotF, I skipped most of the Mandalorian sections, and the series flowed much, much better.
 
I'm gonna have to disagree about the quality of Traviss' contributions to the EU. From a technical standpoint she's a fine writer, but her overly militaristic anti-Jedi style was all wrong for Star Wars. Her three Legacy of the Force books brought that whole series down. (Although Troy Denning's final book was also terrible, so it wasn't entirely on Traviss.) One of the best things about TCW's take on Mandalorians was it led to her leaving the EU. I've seen some Halo books written by her since then. I haven't read any of them yet, but I think that setting is a much better match for her.

Well, Traviss's Republic Commando books are my favorite books ever, and I've read a lot of books. so, i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. She also wrote the only LotF books really worth reading, in my opinion.

I'm gonna have to disagree about the quality of Traviss' contributions to the EU. From a technical standpoint she's a fine writer, but her overly militaristic anti-Jedi style was all wrong for Star Wars. Her three Legacy of the Force books brought that whole series down. (Although Troy Denning's final book was also terrible, so it wasn't entirely on Traviss.) One of the best things about TCW's take on Mandalorians was it led to her leaving the EU. I've seen some Halo books written by her since then. I haven't read any of them yet, but I think that setting is a much better match for her.

The last time I re-read LotF, I skipped most of the Mandalorian sections, and the series flowed much, much better.

Last time I read LotF (about 2 months ago) the only parts I really liked were Traviss's parts, I'd like a book that just took the Boba Fett sections by themselves.
 
It certainly has the potential of being something very special, epic and memorable if the series is handled and written properly and not saddled with too many glossy stunt cameos and guest appearances that take too much attention away from the new, main characters we're supposed to be focusing upon. With Filoni behind the scenes I have faith the show will end up being a success, but as with most TV series the first episodes will be full of irritating and awkward growing pains.

All we can do is wait and watch, but I think it'll be a good addition to the Lucas canon and universe.
 
Honestly, the more clips I see, the more it seems like it's just trying to copy the original trilogy as much as possible, right down to the music (although there was a bit of music there that was more of an homage to "The Basket Game" from Raiders of the Lost Ark). Filoni says they're trying to "recreate" the feel of the OT, but it comes off more as a very slavish imitation. And I still say the 2D concept art looks tons better than the actual 3D animation.

Still, with Greg Weisman and Dave Filoni on board, I can't believe it won't be worthwhile on some levels.
 
Yeah I was kinda surprised to see them duplicate the Falcon/Tie Fighter battle so closely, even down to the same exact camera moves.
 
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