New Short Trek: The Trouble With Edward

[Tuskin38]

There is a USS Galaxy according to the TNG Technical Manual. Not sure if it ever gets a name drop in the series.

There is ship with its registry number from the manual in DS9, but no visible name associated with it.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Galaxy

it was confirmed by someone on the VFX crew that it was intended to be the USS Galaxy.

Apparently it’s also in nemesis? I guess it’s listed on the map screen in that one scene.

 

[Amasov]

We need more dogs in Star Trek.

A Welsh Corgi should be the next one to rule the galaxy.

I'm partial to Shiba Inus, myself.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I thought the short was okay.. fine I guess.. though the comic spirit of it seemed to be very Un-Trek.. and I wish I could articulate why.. it's slightly more mean spirited and more lackadaisical told than other Trek stories.. and it just felt off to me

 

[Amasov]

Mind you, I don't have a problem with Archer having been *A* Starfleet Captain and even an important one. I just wouldn't make him a messianic Enterprise captain.

Why couldn't he have captained the Constitution the Constitution-class is named for?

I think it just had more to do with the fact that the first vessel to really go out there and to explore was a ship named Enterprise, which in some way, can sort of explain not only why later starships continue to have that name, but, to be the flasgship of the Federation. I'm sure other NX ships that came after Enterprise all had names that continued to be used throughout the centuries in Starfleet. It could be that the reason the Enterprise, herself, was the ship chosen to be the flagship due to the important role it played in establishing the UFP.

But, as a sidenote: unless I'm mistaken, on screen, the Enterprise-D is the first Enterprise to be referred to as the Federation flagship. I don't think it's ever made clear if any of its predecessors were the flagships in their day.

 

[Charles Phipps]

I think it just had more to do with the fact that the first vessel to really go out there and to explore was a ship named Enterprise, which in some way, can sort of explain not only why later starships continue to have that name, but, to be the flasgship of the Federation. I'm sure other NX ships that came after Enterprise all had names that continued to be used throughout the centuries in Starfleet. It could be that the reason the Enterprise, herself, was the ship chosen to be the flagship due to the important role it played in establishing the UFP.

But, as a sidenote: unless I'm mistaken, on screen, the Enterprise-D is the first Enterprise to be referred to as the Federation flagship. I don't think it's ever made clear if any of its predecessors were the flagships in their day.

I think the assumption was, at least on my part, the Enterprise was NOT the Federation flagship in TOS.

It *WAS* in TNG.

But that was because of what Kirk did as captain of it.

 

[The Wormhole]

I think the assumption was, at least on my part, the Enterprise was NOT the Federation flagship in TOS.

The Enterprise was certainly not intended to be Starfleet's flagship in TOS, though these days many tie-ins assume it was anyway, and indeed Trek XI does state the Enterprise to be the flagship. Also, although not stated on screen, behind the scenes stuff for Disco season 2 did refer to the Enterprise as the flagship. Although, onscreen, they do refer to the Enterprise as "Starfleet's most prominent ship."

 

[Charles Phipps]

The Enterprise was certainly not intended to be Starfleet's flagship in TOS, though these days many tie-ins assume it was anyway, and indeed Trek XI does state the Enterprise to be the flagship. Also, although not stated on screen, behind the scenes stuff for Disco season 2 did refer to the Enterprise as the flagship. Although, onscreen, they do refer to the Enterprise as "Starfleet's most prominent ship."

Its meant to be one of 13 top of the line vessels I think. Important but not THE most important.

Mind you, it did host the Babel conference.

 

[Timo]

...She did not, she merely ferried some of the delegates there. A classic job for second-rate vessels: assorted cruisers tended to be utilized for their speed over the more important big battlewagons, and for their availability.

Of the now more than half a dozen Trek Enterprises out there, only the E-D was the "Federation Flagship". Archer's NX-01 probably was a formally important vessel as well, being explicitly top of the line, although we never heard anything like this uttered on screen. Nothing Kirk ever flew was considered flagship, or even particularly special in her time (although Kirk's reputation eventually reflected on them). So far, nothing Pike has done with Kirk's eventual ship has forced us to rethink this.

Nothing flagshiplike was associated with the E-B or the E-C or the E-E, either, although of course all were big and powerful and advanced vessels for their day that in theory might have enjoyed some sort of a leading status.

The ship from the 2009 movie in turn was "our newest flagship", leaving open who "us" is supposed to be, and whether there would be one flagship for "us" or perhaps thirteen. When Pike handed the ship over to Kirk, she ceased to be referred to as a flagship, and never did anything particularly commanding (nor had a flag officer aboard). Her replacement seemed to be more of the same, and her role might have been implied to be one of exploration, ill suited for a flagship.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Noname Given]

Mind you, it did host the Babel conference.

^^^
Um, no. It took 100 or so important Federation delegates to the Babel planetoid so they could all attend a conference discussing a request for admission to the Federation from the planet Coradin. Also, the 1701 was only given this duty because the Babel planetoid was in their assigned patrol sector.

 

[BillJ]

Its meant to be one of 13 top of the line vessels I think. Important but not THE most important.

The most important was whichever one was the command ship in a given exercise. Like the Lexington in "The Ultimate Computer". Kirk's may have been seen as a less important command (at the time) considering his ship was the one where all the crew was removed.

Mind you, it did host the Babel conference.

@Noname Given is correct. The Enterprise was simply a ferry, the closest ship to the diplomats that needed a ride.

 

[fireproof78]

The most important was whichever one was the command ship in a given exercise. Like the Lexington in "The Ultimate Computer". Kirk's may have been seen as a less important command (at the time) considering his ship was the one where all the crew was removed.

Are commodores flag officers? Then the Lexington could be considered a "flag ship."

 

[BillJ]

Are commodores flag officers?

I believe so. Being replaced by Rear Admiral, Lower Half, IIRC.

 

[BillJ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear_admiral_(United_States)

Rear admiral (lower half) is equivalent to the rank of brigadier general in the other uniformed services, and equivalent to the rank of commodore in most other navies.[2] In the United States uniformed services, rear admiral (lower half) replaced the rank of commodore in 1983.

 

[Tuskin38]

While it isn't an actual rank anymore, the name still exists as a title given to a captain in command of multiple ships.

 

[Timo]

And naturally it is an actual rank in Trek (or at least in TOS, ENT and the TOS movies), with braid, title and authority.

Amusingly, TNG first season weirdness aside, we have never seen a single-pip flag officer in later Trek, so we lack the means to pass judgement on whether "Commodores" still exist or whether these have been replaced by "Bilge Admiral, Rear Quarter" or whatever. At best, we can point out that during said S1 weirdness, the very lowliest of flag ranks warranted the form of address "Admiral" rather than "Commodore", but the specifics elude us.

Perhaps new Trek will at some point help us out here? It gave us the flashforward where Pike wears five stars on his shoulders, supposedly to indicate his so far obscure Fleet Captain rank...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[darrenjl]

I'm trying to get my head around how any of this Short Trek can be considered canon.

Why would people be eating Tribbles? Secondly why would breakfast cereal still come in cardboard boxes in the 23rd century? And why would children be dressed in Starfleet uniforms on a Starfleet ship?

The only way this can even be considered part of the Star Trek universe is if it is an 'in-universe' advert, but even then would advertising exist? Maybe it is some kind of comedy film within the universe.

 

[BillJ]

Why would people be eating Tribbles? Secondly why would breakfast cereal still come in cardboard boxes in the 23rd century? And why would children be dressed in Starfleet uniforms on a Starfleet ship?

I don’t think the post credits scene is supposed to be taken seriously.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I don’t think the post credits scene is supposed to be taken seriously.

Or perhaps this is the event that conquered hunger, as Picard talked about in TNG

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I'm trying to get my head around how any of this Short Trek can be considered canon.

Why would people be eating Tribbles? Secondly why would breakfast cereal still come in cardboard boxes in the 23rd century? And why would children be dressed in Starfleet uniforms on a Starfleet ship?

The only way this can even be considered part of the Star Trek universe is if it is an 'in-universe' advert, but even then would advertising exist? Maybe it is some kind of comedy film within the universe.

Or you could just not take it so seriously.

 

[Ronald Held]

Is the commercial at the end potentially a vision by Edward, and did not happen?