She also mentioned that he so things turning into a fight as a failure on his part, losing a lot of his crew would probably make it worse.
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She also mentioned that he so things turning into a fight as a failure on his part, losing a lot of his crew would probably make it worse.
Maybe his just tired of it. He's been though some tough things and generally handled them well in the past, but the casualties in "The Cage" just broke him. He also blamed his command judgement on those deaths, if you remember correctly. He may not feel that way about casualties accumulated through combat. The specific situation on Rigel bothered him because he felt it could have been avoided.
EDIT: Damn, I was ninja'd by @Hartzilla200 and @Kate Kane !!
One thing I really wish they'd quit doing is showing the internal turbolift network. It's like an entire rollercoaster inside the hull. Where is all that room and the deck connections? It's even made worse by the fact that on Discovery, they manage to have maintenance shuttlecrafts in there.
It just bugs the hell out of me because it makes no logical sense whatsoever.
It actually makes a lot of sense. First, you have to realize the shot(s) is a cutaway with the fourth wall(s) removed. Second, we know there are dozens of turbolifts on all starships. How do you think they're supposed to move around behind the walls?
In tubes, as they always have. And not wasting tons of space in a way that makes use and maintenance absurd. My non-Trek obsessed friends (who LOVE Discovery and are only very casually aware of previous Treks) asked me why Trek ships are hollow and have no decks, as it would have made sense to just pop the top and climb to the next deck/floor/door if they were in any other Trek series - barring tech "reasons" for drama purposes, which would, of course, be fine.
Even the best can break down. Rigel seemed to be one where he was especially mad at himself for those loses, indicating a higher sense of personal responsibility. It reminds me of multiple MASH episodes were a doctor is top notch, handling the flow of combat surgery no problem and then there is one were they cannot handle it any more.
There is no reason why Pike couldn't experience something similar.
It bothered him more because Rigel was NOT in a war battle. It sounds like it was an exploration mission that went wrong.
They really can't be in "tubes". There are too many and they travel in 3 dimensions. Tubes would cause a bottleneck especially in emergencies.
The message was pretty simple - keep it buttoned down and professional, and don't let it be known that you're "weird" in some way if you want to be on command track.
Spock basically asked Una how she was weird, and thus she belted out into song - something that she would never do in public, and she immediately asks him to never tell anyone. Because the role of the XO on the ship is often to be the disciplinarian for the captain, and if they knew she liked to sing showtunes, they'd never look at her the same way again.
Basically you can't be an authority person in public and a three-dimensional person at the same time.
IDK - If you listen to the conversation it's about a Captain who's been through a lot in his career (he's hard on himself because he feels he ignored warning signs that lead to a situation where he had to kill a warrior; and in that fight also took casualties) - and is TIRED of always being the one who has to make such decisions because he's been doing it a long time.
Major General is about an officer who is obsessed with scientific/technical minutia to the point of becoming an ineffective commander.
Maybe Rigel was particularly gruesome or somehow personal.
I shouldn't bring up the show since the characters were based in large part on real people but the collapse of Buck Compton in Band of Brothers. He's a reliable leader and soldier, surviving D-Day, Market Garden and Bastogne, but when he saw two of his friends die at Foy it was just too much and he could not continue (in fairness, the real Buck Compton disputed this). Anyway it is possible to see a lot of stressful action but finally snap, and its possible to recover again.
Riker and Picard had no problems being musicians and strict command officers at the same time.
Different time, different command style.
The point isn't that it's objectively true, but Una thinks it is. Which helps us understand her character more.
To be fair, Picard ran the 1701-D like a Cruise ship the majority of the time.
(And besisdes Riker turned down a Command of his own to first serve on Picard's cruise ship; and passed up two more offers on screen -- and maybe one offscreen after the TNG episode "Best of Both Worlds" situation.
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It is a completely different era, with Kirk seeing himself as a soldier. I doubt Picard or Riker would see themselves that way.
Some people have no problem farting in public. Others clench their cheeks together so hard they almost pass out.
This short could also be seen as a partial character explanation about how reticent Spock becomes to let absolutely anything out regarding his personal life:
- Doesn't tell Pike about his sister
- Doesn't tell Kirk about Sarek until they meet
- Doesn't tell anyone about Sybock - even his best friends - for many, many decades
I forgot to look for a thread for this until now.
I loved the short, it was well written, with outstanding performances from Rebecca Romijn and Ethan Peck. It offered a nice little explanation for why Spock acted so differently in The Cage/The Menagerie than the other times we saw him. I liked the singing.
I gave it an 8.
I loved the short, it was well written, with outstanding performances from Rebecca Romijn and Ethan Peck. It offered a nice little explanation for why Spock acted so differently in The Cage/The Menagerie than the other times we saw him. I liked the singing.
I gave it an 8.
This.
The assumption, or at least from what we have seen, are that turbolifts are basically just elevators. The biggest difference between them is that they travel faster (hence the use of the word turbo) and that they travel both vertically AND horizontally. They use an automated guidance system like a current day GPS that calculates the quickest route to deliver its passengers to their destinations while taking into account the other turbolifts that are in use.
The problem is, it clearly shows the turbolift tracks occupy a large, hollow portion of the ship that's big enough to fit maintenance shuttles in. We don't actually see any deck connections. In the old world, the turbolift shafts are the veins that run between decks and connects them all. Here it's just some massive, cavernous maw that seems almost endless.
Where is this large space supposed to be? I thought perhaps it could be the neck of the ship as that area could be the spot where all the various turbolift tracks converge and then split off into the upper and lower parts of the ship.
This also makes it look like the decks are not stacked on top of each other. In other words, if the turbolift is traveling vertical, it's a safe assumption that it's passing a door every few seconds, the same way if taking an elevator you're traveling past the floors that you're not get off on. Here, we don't see the car pass a single deck. Where the hell is it going?
I never-ever nitpick anything like this on Star Trek. This is the only thing that bugs the hell out of me because I just can't wrap my head around how this is supposed to work.
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It bugs the living daylights out of me as well. Before, we could imagine that the "hollowness" was just the decks removed from sight. But here you can clearly see maintenance shuttles buzzing around. Which also begs the question: why didn't one of those lend a hand in freeing the trapped crewmen?
I really, really hate the Hollow Ship design with a passion. I hope they skip this soon enough because it makes literally no sense whatsoever.
As for the episode itself: I found it... meh. I think I was hoping for a bit deeper dive into Spock's backstory, or Number 1's for that matter. But it was a lot of blah and not a lot of yay. If this is the episode they're using to show the rest of the world "look how awesome Star Trek is!", they've chosen a lousy one to do so...
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