New Short Trek: Ask Not

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by antinoos, Nov 6, 2019.

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How Would You Rate "Ask Not"?

Poll closed Nov 14, 2020.
  1. 10

    9.2%
  2. 9

    5.3%
  3. 8

    30.3%
  4. 7

    26.3%
  5. 6

    7.9%
  6. 5

    10.5%
  7. 4

    5.3%
  8. 3

    1.3%
  9. 2

    1.3%
  10. 1

    2.6%
  1. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    You can tell this one didn't exactly engage the fanbase by how little discussion we are having about it. :eek:
     
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  2. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    More it will be the same old arguments from the different factions:
    "Discovery is bad!"
    "We want a Pike show!"
    "This doesn't make sense in the 23rd century!"
    "This short is too dark. Starfleet would never do this!"

    At this point in time I find it hard to believe that actual discussion about the show exists. Its more presuppositions about how terrible the show is.
     
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  3. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    There is conversation to be had, as seen in both the "Q&A" and "The Trouble with Edward" threads. About the interpretation of Spock, Larkin's fitness for Starfleet. This one just kinda landed with a thud.
     
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  4. eschaton

    eschaton Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    As I said in my mini-review, this really felt like a teaser to test the waters for the Pike series, more than anything else.

    I mean, who the heck looked at the story concept and said "This absolutely needs to be filmed!" I can see it with Q&A and The Trouble With Edward, but this one?!?
     
  5. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I personally loved the character interactions...not remarkable but entertaining.

    But, I'm also super weird because I don't think anything absolutely needs to be filmed in Trek. I think that watching the characters interact at more important than anything else.
     
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  6. DaveyNY

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    Maybe this episode is the catalyst that brings about the "Kobayashi Maru" standard test at the Academy.

    Perhaps before Captain Pike, it was done just as a thought exam at the academy rather than an actual physical test of ones abilities and reactions to loosing.

    THAT would be cool if it WAS Pike that initiated this, especially if he went on to be the Star Fleet Academy Superintendent at some point for awhile.
    :techman:
     
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  7. ThankQ

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    Yeah, I already saw this one on TNG with Wesley.
     
  8. Timo

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    Well, in the 2009 movie, Pike was slumming as a recruiter of some sort, nannying a bunch of draftees in Iowa event at Captain rank - a rank he retains though entitled to the stripes of a full Admiral just three years later.

    Perhaps after DSC, Pike went full throttle for a teaching career of some sort, volunteering out of promotions, perhaps because he felt he had no future anyway. Depending on the timing of "Ask Not", we might see the first steps down that path designed to lead nowhere slow.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  9. drt

    drt Commodore Commodore

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    Probably because it was simple plot-wise, five minutes of spouting regulation numbers back-and-forth, then boom, it's a test (surprise!), followed by let's meet Spock and Number One, oh and have a look at the Discoprise engine room (which has generated its own discusion thread).
     
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  10. Amasov

    Amasov Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Because that’s suppose to be a surprise for the viewers; despite trailers indicating it was Pike.
     
  11. Amasov

    Amasov Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    You have an odd definition of what dystopia is.
     
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  12. Lord Garth

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    I like it, but it's cut-and-dried. I don't know what else to say after a certain point. Nice scenario.
     
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  13. Rahul

    Rahul Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    This short was.... kinda' useless?

    I liked the actress, I goddamn liked Pike, I liked No. 1 and Spock in combination, I liked the whole "welcome aboard"-schtick. But the test-part was just bullshit, and the two parts (the test, and the welcoming) felt utterly disconnected.

    Essentially the whole thing felt like watching two unconnected deleted scenes. I really like the people on screen, and it really feels like behind the scenes they're trying. But they just aren't capable of telling a solid story, and that severely weakens all the good parts.
     
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  14. Ronald Held

    Ronald Held Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Aren't Short Treks let's try this and see how well it is received?
     
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  15. DaveyNY

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    At Nine and a Half minutes including the opening and end credits...,
    As far as I'm concerned They did an exceptional job at showing us Pike's Version of the "Kobayashi Maru".
    :techman:
     
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  16. Rahul

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    I would prefer if these shorts were all more like "we can't tell this story otherwise" stuff. Like that Mudd-short, or Calypso. Those were stories that otherwise would have been never told.

    I like the approach of this season's short Treks of having an unknown character or new actor in the foreground. I just wish they would tell more unusal stories. We have seen "Kubayashi Maru", "First tour through new ship", "Tribbles multiply" or "two unlikely characters stuck together" already a thousand times on Trek, and then usually much deeper explored.

    I want to see more unusual stuff. Little things. Somebody doing a desk job at the frontier. A funny encounter with a misunderstanding. A single conversation turning on it's head.

    Simple stuff, stuff that's "too small" to ever be told in a real episode, but worthwhile still. A more "short story" approach, rather than a "shortened story" approach.
     
  17. Enterprise is Great

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    I gave it an 8 and that's rounding up from 7.5. . It was enjoyable but pretty pointless.
     
  18. DaveyNY

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    It's not pointless if it continues to up the gravitas and clamor for a PIKE Series.
    :techman:
     
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  19. Rahul

    Rahul Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    To be honest, I'm not interested in a Pike-Spock-No.1-Enterprise retro prequel remake show.

    A Pike series should START with Pike's horrible accident, then him settling on Talos with Vina. And then should be about him leaving Talos, on a mission for the Talosians, accompanied by Vina, a Talosian, and a ragtag bunch of misfits / other Talosian prisoners. With the added threat that anytime their sole Talosian is in danger, Pike and Vina are in danger, too, because he's keeping up their illusion of being able to live normally.
     
  20. WarpFactorZ

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    Seems like a big waste of the Captain's time -- does he do that with every new recruit??