New/Old Enterprise question

[kay1864]

I keep seeing comments on how the Big E was delayed 13-15 years. Was this covered in the movie? Or is this in the prequel comic?

Either way, why the delay?

And does this delay 'explain' why Spock and Pike are at the Academy, instead of Spock serving 8 years under Pike, as in TOS? Why wouldn't they have just been assigned to a different ship?

 

[kay1864]

No replies? *sniff* Nobody loves me...

Or the Enterprise...

Or Pike...

Or Spock...




OK, Angelina Jolie loves Spock...


(now if Ms. Jolie can't generate replies...)

 

[Tom Riley]

I keep seeing comments on how the Big E was delayed 13-15 years. Was this covered in the movie? Or is this in the prequel comic?

Either way, why the delay?

And does this delay 'explain' why Spock and Pike are at the Academy, instead of Spock serving 8 years under Pike, as in TOS? Why wouldn't they have just been assigned to a different ship?

I've only seen it once so far, so I can't attest to this 100%, but as far as I can recolect the don't specifically mention any reasons for the delay and the change of Spock and Pike's job postings.

BUT it has to have had something to do with the Kelvin. That is the point where the timeline starts to change, so it has to have had something to do with the Kelvin's destruction. My guess is that someone or some people who were onboard the Kelvin would go on to help with the designing of the Enterprise, and they were either killed in the attack or they were delayed because of the Kelvin's destruction.

But of course that is all just conjecture...

 

[Peter the Younger]

My thought was that the Kelvin incident caused the ship that would have been the Enterprise to be christened as something else, like say, the Kelvin-A.

Either that, or the timeline really diverges back during ENT, and they didn't use the name until later because of something to do with the NX-01.

 

[Tom Riley]

My thought was that the Kelvin incident caused the ship that would have been the Enterprise to be christened as something else, like say, the Kelvin-A.

Either that, or the timeline really diverges back during ENT, and they didn't use the name until later because of something to do with the NX-01.

But if it was just christened differently, Pike and Spock would still have served onboard... And if the timeline diverged before Nero showed up, then everything the characters said on screen about the timelines would have been incorrect...

 

[chardman]

I'm guessing that after the first encounter with the Narada, Starfleet felt they had to reassess the heartiness of the designs that were currently on their drawing boards, and ultimately opted to radically beef up those designs, essentially re-engineering those designs from scratch. The result was a lengthy delay in initial production of some designs, which also took significantly longer to build because of their increased complexity.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Reasonable explanations for the difference from the original canon, but this is something I think Trek has lost, and not just the new movie, but Enterprise, TNG, Voyager, etc.

In TOS Trek, The Enterprise was a ship with history- she wasn't brand new, or the namesake of her class, or anything else. She had two prior captains and been in the fleet...what? about 20 years before Kirk ever took command? It gave the ship a sense of being a 'grand old lady' and a ship with a good reputation around Starfleet.

Ever since then, Trek has always seemed to want to put the characters on the 'newest, shiniest toy' in the fleet. In Enterprise they have the NX-01, first of her class and even an experimental, no less. In TNG we get the Enterprise-D, a brand new ship commissioned under Picard, and AGAIN with the Enterprise-E. Voyager, IIRC, is the first ship of her class as well. DS-9 was a space station so it doesn't really fit the parameters of the discussion, but when they got around to giving them a ship it was...you guessed it...BRAND NEW! The USS Defiant, a new experimental warship with more clout than the average bear.

Now, in nu-Trek we get a brand new Enterprise once again. No history, no reputation, just a shiny new ship.

Am I the only one who sees an artificiality to all this?

 

[Bobatiel]

And does this delay 'explain' why Spock and Pike are at the Academy, instead of Spock serving 8 years under Pike, as in TOS? Why wouldn't they have just been assigned to a different ship?

Where in the movie did it say that Spock did not serve under Captain Pike?

 

[RobertVA]

I don't recall any evidence in the new film that Spock and Pike didn't serve on a ship together before both of them were assigned to the academy either.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Its possible that prior to 2258, Pike and Spock shipped out on a vessel that was an intermediate design between the Kelvin's class and the Enterprise. Maybe they even went to Talos IV in 2254 on board this ship. (Lets call it the USS Yorktown )

So who wants to design a "Yorktown" class ship?