New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Before it

[CuttingEdge100]

Title: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Srives to Stop Crime Before it Happens, Not React After
URL: http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...ategy-strives-to-stop-crime-before-it/1173615

The plans for this, which Nocco calls a "philosophy shift," are in the beginning stages. Nocco didn't talk about specifics of exactly how much this will change the agency, as many deputies and detectives already do many of the aspects of intelligence-led policing. The descriptions of the model are jargon-filled and vary from agency to agency, but the basic foundation is sharing information and using analysts to map patterns to stop crimes before they happen.

Nocco plans to have the intelligence analysts mapping crime patterns, feeding information to the front lines. He wants the detectives split into two squads, each commanded by one sergeant. He views these as his special operations units, the ones who will go after targeted criminals and "take them out," he said.

How long before this turns into something out of Minority Report? How long before it becomes acceptable to arrest a person for a crime that they are predicted to, at some point in the future, commit?

 

[Shatnertage]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

Yay, PreCrime!

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

Title: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Srives to Stop Crime Before it Happens, Not React After
URL: http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...ategy-strives-to-stop-crime-before-it/1173615

The plans for this, which Nocco calls a "philosophy shift," are in the beginning stages. Nocco didn't talk about specifics of exactly how much this will change the agency, as many deputies and detectives already do many of the aspects of intelligence-led policing. The descriptions of the model are jargon-filled and vary from agency to agency, but the basic foundation is sharing information and using analysts to map patterns to stop crimes before they happen.

Nocco plans to have the intelligence analysts mapping crime patterns, feeding information to the front lines. He wants the detectives split into two squads, each commanded by one sergeant. He views these as his special operations units, the ones who will go after targeted criminals and "take them out," he said.

How long before this turns into something out of Minority Report? How long before it becomes acceptable to arrest a person for a crime that they are predicted to, at some point in the future, commit?

Your interpretation of this is certainly outlandish. What they're talking about isn't that different from criminal profiling, to put together a pattern of criminal behavior and determine where a criminal may strike next. That's a very far cry from pre-emptively arresting people who've not committed any crime.

 

[Kestra]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

I don't know Robert, we may not be there yet but it's a logical progression of thought that does make one wonder ...

 

[sojourner]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

Yeah, this is more of a mis-leading headline on the article than anything else. The real idea is to better use information gathering and predictive abilities to catch criminals "in the act". Law enforcement is smart enough to know if they started arresting before a crime was actually committed that the cases would be thrown out.

 

[CuttingEdge100]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

Kestra

we may not be there yet but it's a logical progression of thought

That is my opinion as well. There's really no way around that

 

[Jadzia]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

I'm not quite comfortable with the strategy. What it comes down to is that suspicion is enough to get a person closely monitored, or taken for questioning. Suspicion is one of those things that the imagination can easily enhance, rather like how it was in 15th century, when some innocent people were suspected of being witches and consequently faced investigation or were closely monitored.

What's inevitable is that suspicion against a person rarely fades. What's most likely is that suspicion becomes belief, and belief is reinforced as people filter evidence selectively because of their cognitive biases, as well as spreading their beliefs and creating a contagion of irrational suspicion. I'd have hoped we'd moved beyond the 15th century.

Secondly, police invariably like things that "make their job easier". Suspicion could easily become an overused mechanism as it's such a vague thing, that permits police action, that could be fitted to anybody, and without a need to justify it.

 

[JoeZhang]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

Some very strange and alarmist responses from people here - intelligence-led policing is simply policing jargon about information management and the better use of data collected by a variety of sources. There is nothing new about it and it's been used in various forms in western Europe for almost twenty years (and in the US to various degrees) - there is absolutely nothing new about what is described in this story.

Still the ability of people on the internet to see something sinister and dystopian in literally anything never ceases to amaze me - especially subjects they clearly don't understand.

What's inevitable is that suspicion against a person rarely fades. What's most likely is that suspicion becomes belief, and belief is reinforced as people filter evidence selectively because of their cognitive biases, as well as spreading their beliefs and creating a contagion of irrational suspicion. I'd have hoped we'd moved beyond the 15th century.

So daft and ill-informed on how police handle intelligence and information on individuals it's hard to know where to start.

 

[Lindley]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

Your interpretation of this is certainly outlandish.

It usually is.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

I'm not quite comfortable with the strategy. What it comes down to is that suspicion is enough to get a person closely monitored, or taken for questioning. Suspicion is one of those things that the imagination can easily enhance, rather like how it was in 15th century, when some innocent people were suspected of being witches and consequently faced investigation or were closely monitored.

What's inevitable is that suspicion against a person rarely fades. What's most likely is that suspicion becomes belief, and belief is reinforced as people filter evidence selectively because of their cognitive biases, as well as spreading their beliefs and creating a contagion of irrational suspicion. I'd have hoped we'd moved beyond the 15th century.

Secondly, police invariably like things that "make their job easier". Suspicion could easily become an overused mechanism as it's such a vague thing, that permits police action, that could be fitted to anybody, and without a need to justify it.

Then you'd probably be taken aback by the "stop and frisk" practices used in New York City. Cops can basically stop you for no reason at all and give you a patdown. Not surprisingly, this is done predominantly to minorities. At one time there was even a "stop and frisk" database, where police recorded every person they did a S&F to. This database was mined as a "potential suspect" list even if no wrongdoing was ever found. The State of New York eventually passed a law banning this database precisely because it was found be used as a racial profiling tool and was used to harass people who'd never been arrested for anything.

 

[JoeZhang]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

I'm not quite comfortable with the strategy. What it comes down to is that suspicion is enough to get a person closely monitored, or taken for questioning. Suspicion is one of those things that the imagination can easily enhance, rather like how it was in 15th century, when some innocent people were suspected of being witches and consequently faced investigation or were closely monitored.

What's inevitable is that suspicion against a person rarely fades. What's most likely is that suspicion becomes belief, and belief is reinforced as people filter evidence selectively because of their cognitive biases, as well as spreading their beliefs and creating a contagion of irrational suspicion. I'd have hoped we'd moved beyond the 15th century.

Secondly, police invariably like things that "make their job easier". Suspicion could easily become an overused mechanism as it's such a vague thing, that permits police action, that could be fitted to anybody, and without a need to justify it.

Then you'd probably be taken aback by the "stop and frisk" practices used in New York City. Cops can basically stop you for no reason at all and give you a patdown. Not surprisingly, this is done predominantly to minorities. At one time there was even a "stop and frisk" database, where police recorded every person they did a S&F to. This database was mined as a "potential suspect" list even if no wrongdoing was ever found. The State of New York eventually passed a law banning this database precisely because it was found be used as a racial profiling tool and was used to harass people who'd never been arrested for anything.

We went the other way in the UK, 'Stop and Account/Search' practices resulted in a database to stop disproportionality in the stopping of ethnic minorities and also more rigour recording of the reasons why a Stop has occured.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

I'm not quite comfortable with the strategy. What it comes down to is that suspicion is enough to get a person closely monitored, or taken for questioning. Suspicion is one of those things that the imagination can easily enhance, rather like how it was in 15th century, when some innocent people were suspected of being witches and consequently faced investigation or were closely monitored.

What's inevitable is that suspicion against a person rarely fades. What's most likely is that suspicion becomes belief, and belief is reinforced as people filter evidence selectively because of their cognitive biases, as well as spreading their beliefs and creating a contagion of irrational suspicion. I'd have hoped we'd moved beyond the 15th century.

Secondly, police invariably like things that "make their job easier". Suspicion could easily become an overused mechanism as it's such a vague thing, that permits police action, that could be fitted to anybody, and without a need to justify it.

Then you'd probably be taken aback by the "stop and frisk" practices used in New York City. Cops can basically stop you for no reason at all and give you a patdown. Not surprisingly, this is done predominantly to minorities. At one time there was even a "stop and frisk" database, where police recorded every person they did a S&F to. This database was mined as a "potential suspect" list even if no wrongdoing was ever found. The State of New York eventually passed a law banning this database precisely because it was found be used as a racial profiling tool and was used to harass people who'd never been arrested for anything.

We went the other way in the UK, 'Stop and Account/Search' practices resulted in a database to stop disproportionality in the stopping of ethnic minorities and also more rigour recording of the reasons why a Stop has occured.

Well, there are suspicions that S&Fs are now more frequent and more biased toward minorities, now that there is no longer a centralized database of them. Cops still have to record every S&F they do, but the data isn't filed into a central database of suspects.

 

[JoeZhang]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

The databases in the UK are more limited in application in that way because there is no legal requirement for an individual to give their name or address when stopped* by the police.


* generally there are some exceptions but they aren't relevant to the general point.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

In the US, refusal to give your name can get you arrested. Even if no charges result, cops use it as a tactic to make people cooperate. Who wants to spend the night in jail just because they don't want to give a cop their name?

 

[Jadzia]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

Then you'd probably be taken aback by the "stop and frisk" practices used in New York City. Cops can basically stop you for no reason at all and give you a patdown.

You would be correct. I think this is unethical.

 

[JoeZhang]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

In the US, refusal to give your name can get you arrested. Even if no charges result, cops use it as a tactic to make people cooperate. Who wants to spend the night in jail just because they don't want to give a cop their name?

It often happens here and many people think you have to give your name and address to a police officer if asked. I nearly did get arrested once because I wouldn't supply my name and address when asked what I was doing (While sitting in a park reading a newspaper).

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

In the US, refusal to give your name can get you arrested. Even if no charges result, cops use it as a tactic to make people cooperate. Who wants to spend the night in jail just because they don't want to give a cop their name?

It often happens here and many people think you have to give your name and address to a police officer if asked. I nearly did get arrested once because I wouldn't supply my name and address when asked what I was doing (While sitting in a park reading a newspaper).

If I had nothing to do that day, I might be a shit and refuse to say who I am. As far as I'm concerned, police have no right to bother me about anything unless they have probable cause to suspect me of a crime or consider me a witness to another crime.

 

[scotthm]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

How long before it becomes acceptable to arrest a person for a crime that they are predicted to, at some point in the future, commit?

It would wreck our political system, since filing to run for political office is a sure sign of a predisposition to commit future crimes.

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[CuttingEdge100]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

Jadzia

I'm not quite comfortable with the strategy. What it comes down to is that suspicion is enough to get a person closely monitored, or taken for questioning.

The level of suspicion would probably end up most likely being below what would be considered probable cause.


JoeZhang

There is nothing new about it and it's been used in various forms in western Europe for almost twenty years

Keep in mind the standards for issuing warrants for searches are not necessarily the same in various European countries as in the United States.

Still the ability of people on the internet to see something sinister and dystopian in literally anything never ceases to amaze me - especially subjects they clearly don't understand.

You have to keep in mind that over the past 9-1/2 years, our (United States) government has used fear of terrorism as a justification to continually erode The Constitution whenever they get the chance.

As a result, when we see things like this, we immediately get very wary.


Robert Maxwell

Then you'd probably be taken aback by the "stop and frisk" practices used in New York City.

Yes, I was.

At one time there was even a "stop and frisk" database, where police recorded every person they did a S&F to. This database was mined as a "potential suspect" list even if no wrongdoing was ever found.

Which of course is an abuse of power, and with the data being gathered and mined without suspicion of wrongdoing is effectively an end run around the 4th Amendment.

The State of New York eventually passed a law banning this database precisely because it was found be used as a racial profiling tool and was used to harass people who'd never been arrested for anything.

That's correct, and I'm very glad that decision was made.

 

[ThankQ]

Re: New Intelligence-Led Policing Strategy Strives to Stop Crime Befor

This sounds like what, in my field (or pitch is called man management and preventitive refereeing. You use your experience, knowledge of past events, knowledge of individuals' dispositions, the tenor and emotion of the match and other factors to read what could develop and then take steps to keep that from happening. In a way, you could say it is saving players from themselves. It's not sending someone off because you feel he's heading down that road anyway. You still need a sending-off offense to send someone off, but you try to read the signs and use the various tools at your disposal to prevent that sending-off event from happening.