I think you missed the point.
New Info on Michael Burnham
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Hunter may have been 37, but I'm willing bet Pike was younger. Just as Kirk was younger than Shatner.
Season One Kirk had his weary moments. He often worried about the fate of 300+ crewmembers, the loneliness of command and making the right call. The idea of the Captain character didn't really change from the first pilot to the first season. Kirk is Pike with a name change. He only becomes the Kirk we know as the writers begin to write for Shatner.
From wiki: Pike took command of the USS Enterprise in the year 2252, at the age of 38, taking over command from Robert April, who commanded the Enterprise for nine years. So he was 40 in the Cage
Kirk was very much like Pike in the first few, yes. Those are my favorites. Turns out writing for the actor never goes well. Same with Patrick Stewart's input on movie Picard
Is that from the writer's bible? The script for the Cage? I don't recall any thing in either that established Pike's age when he commanded the Enterprise. The only mention of Pike's age is Mendez's line about Pike being about Kirk's age.
Picard was a starship captain before he turned 30.
Not sure, and no they didn't say anything about his age on screen, but that whole scene complaining to the doctor and his overall performance alluded to him being older than Kirk was being played. The gray hair might have just been left because it was a pilot, but that also says 40+.
True, one of those sites claims he was 28 when he got the Stargazer.
So nothing from a primary source. Just guess work
I think Luke Skywalker is her father.So she excelled at 2 schools on an alien world that's hundreds of years more advanced than earth.
This is where I see them crapping on canon. Please tell me she's not going to be a Mary Sue.
So, when an obvious example - perhaps the most obvious - of a Trek character being gifted with extraordinary and unexplained accomplishments is pointed out, we get "buts?"
Nowhere is it "canon," or anything like canon, that graduating with honors from Vulcan schools would be beyond an intelligent human being Inferences are not canon.
You know what? Fuck canon. The original Star Trek continuity ended in 2005. People can watch Star Trek and be unhappy that their notions of what's canonical are going to be ignored at the pleasure of writers and producers from now on, or they can just choose not to watch Star Trek, or they can watch it and enjoy it. But they can't have their canon respected, in the way they expected it to be, on screen any more.
So she excelled at 2 schools on an alien world that's hundreds of years more advanced than earth.
This is where I see them crapping on canon. Please tell me she's not going to be a Mary Sue.
Hundreds of years more advanced technology does not equate to being more intelligent.
For example, an average Ancient Egyptian child magically taken out of Egypt 5000 years ago and raised in the 21st century would likely be just as intelligent and have the same problem-solving capability of a child today.
We may have more knowledge than ancient Egyptians or Greeks, or an ancient pre-historic ice-age human from 15,000 years ago, but those Egyptians, Greeks, and even that ice-age human had the same brains we do today, and they would be just as intelligent as a 21st -century human. Knowledge does not equal intelligence.
And from what I saw of the average Vulcan, they may have sharply-focused minds, but it does not seem they are hyper-intelligent relative to humans; many vulcans seemed to have intelligence on par with humans. And that focus of the mind is something that is probably taught rather than being genetic.
So if she is raised in a Vulcan school, then there is no reason that she necessarily could not have the same ability to excel that her Vulcan classmates would have, even if she's human.
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People even today do not require cloaking technology to devise ways to carry out a sneak attack.
Like I said in my post, there are several scenarios for a Klingon attack on Vulcan, but let's look at one way you alluded to that involves a ship from space (which is what I assume you meant when you mentioned not having cloaking technology). One way it could have been done is by Klingons traveling in a disguised ship -- i.e., maybe they looked like an innocent trading vessel.
Again, that's just speculation, bu the point is that there are several ways the Klingons could have attacked Vulcan.
Yeah...well...Earth gets attacked all the time!!!!! 
Klingons aren't Romulans.
No they aren't. What's your point?
There is no honor to be found in acting like a Romulan.
Klingon honor.
They could teach the Romulans a thing or two about being sneaky backstabbing bastards.
