Are it's capabilities anything like the IBM memory aid proposal two years back?
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Some links or at least a more detailed explanation would be helpful here. I have no idea what you're talking about.
I own a Nexus One and I have no idea what you're talking about.
It's a held hand mini computer that can also make phone calls. That help?
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IBM proposed an idea back in 2008 which entailed linking up the camera, the audio system, the clock, and the GPS system which would basically enable the phone to record what was happening, remember the times which things were said, voice identification to identify who said what, the ability to remember where it happened, the ability to remember what e-mails were sent at which time, and such to enable people to remember things better.
I wrote about it on this forum a LONG time ago.
Cell-phones have the capability of being remotely activated even if the user turns them off. This would allow nosey hackers or governments to gather virtually every piece of information on a person or people.
Additionally, there are legal issues that are present in that in some states it is not legal to record a person without their permission.
I wrote about it on this forum a LONG time ago.
Cell-phones have the capability of being remotely activated even if the user turns them off. This would allow nosey hackers or governments to gather virtually every piece of information on a person or people.
Additionally, there are legal issues that are present in that in some states it is not legal to record a person without their permission.
I think all those things are "possible" with an Android phone, technically speaking. However, I'm not aware of any apps that bring all this functionality together into a single "life logging" system.
We don't all have good memories.
This is not true and has been debunked around these parts before. When your cell phone is off, it is disconnected from the mobile network. Likewise, if you disable the wifi, it cannot be contacted over a local 802.11 network, either. So, if you have both things shut off it is physically impossible for anyone or anything to "remotely activate" your phone. The only way it could happen is if it doesn't really shut off those services. I am unaware of any phones that "lie" in this manner.
I think that's most states. And you can record your surroundings if you're out in public, you just can't record a phone call without the other party's permission.
Even if such remote activation was possible, which it isn't, the battery would run down very fast and the phone would physically get noticeably warmer as a result of all that power usage (GPS especially is juice intensive, even more so if you're inside and it has to struggle to get a satellite lock). People would generally start to notice if their pockets started heating up and their phones were dead after an hour or two of disuse.
Possible in theory, in reality it would kill any reasonably sized battery (1500mAh) in about 30-45 minutes. It would have to be a voluntary app, since Android is open source, every line of code in it can be dissected by the public, so you can't hide anything in it. No app can get that access without you excplicitly allowing it during installation.
No they don't. That is total crackpot b#######, based on a faulty report of a FBI investigation into a mob suspect. They did not "bug" the cellphone. They tapped it, difference being that a tap records all phone calls, a bug records all sounds. In order to plant a bug in a cellphone, you'd have have to:
A) Reflash the firmware, because the built-in firmware in every phone on earth doesn't include the features needed to make this work. While many phones allow over the air updates, no smartphone can do that without it leaving a record. All smartphones have apps to log incoming and outgoing data transmissions. You can also run custom firmware and alternative OS that cannot be altered without the user noticing and possibly rendering the phone inoperative if you try to change it.
B) Have someone grab it without you knowing it. Crack it open, solder a bug physically into the mainboard or mic, and have the whole mechanism physically fit into the case when it's put back together. Possible in a 2004 era Nextel (the models that were tapped in the case), impossible in a 2010 Nexus One, iPhone, RAZR, or anything else made since around 2006 when thin phones like the RAZR became popular.
Again, I think this needs mentioning. A lot of your threads are about some ambiguous government agenda to spy on you. Get over yourself. The NSA doesn't care about you. Hell, I don't really care and I'm actually interacting with you. The FBI has actual fish to fry and aren't going to waste their time on you.
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Robert Maxwell,
You're correct, however, it was the integration of all these systems that made IBM's proposal different, effectively making it a single "life logging system"
Other than IBM's Memory Aid proposal, I do not know of anything else that possesses this capability. The reason I inquired about the new Google Smartphone is because I heard some statements on the news which appeared to imply a similar capability.
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I don't think the government is after me in specific or anything. My worry is the tendency of the government, especially after the past 9 years, to resort to more intrusive, and more widespread use of surveillance in general. Under the Bush administration the doctrine began to deviate more away from using surveillance on people you suspect of committing a crime, to simply spying on as many people as possible. The increased use of data-mining (by both corporations and by the government) is also quite unsettling as well as the amount of data collected is staggering, and with enough data, it's possible to infer an enormous amount of information about people.
Quite simply I don't want anybody prying into my life (or anybody else's) unless they have a good reason (i.e. probable cause) to suspect a crime has been committed.
Honestly, I think the worst thing to come out of 9/11 is not the fact that 3,000 people died, or that a couple of buildings got knocked down, or that 4 jets were destroyed, but the way our government leaped upon the tragedy to justify gutting the Constitution, eroding our privacy rights, disregarding basic human rights, and waging war on a sovereign nation on the basis of lies and deceit
You're correct, however, it was the integration of all these systems that made IBM's proposal different, effectively making it a single "life logging system"
Other than IBM's Memory Aid proposal, I do not know of anything else that possesses this capability. The reason I inquired about the new Google Smartphone is because I heard some statements on the news which appeared to imply a similar capability.
STR
I don't think the government is after me in specific or anything. My worry is the tendency of the government, especially after the past 9 years, to resort to more intrusive, and more widespread use of surveillance in general. Under the Bush administration the doctrine began to deviate more away from using surveillance on people you suspect of committing a crime, to simply spying on as many people as possible. The increased use of data-mining (by both corporations and by the government) is also quite unsettling as well as the amount of data collected is staggering, and with enough data, it's possible to infer an enormous amount of information about people.
Quite simply I don't want anybody prying into my life (or anybody else's) unless they have a good reason (i.e. probable cause) to suspect a crime has been committed.
Honestly, I think the worst thing to come out of 9/11 is not the fact that 3,000 people died, or that a couple of buildings got knocked down, or that 4 jets were destroyed, but the way our government leaped upon the tragedy to justify gutting the Constitution, eroding our privacy rights, disregarding basic human rights, and waging war on a sovereign nation on the basis of lies and deceit
The Nexus One is not any different from any other smartphone in terms of it's functionalities, so I'm not sure what "statements" you've been hearing.
Plus you'd notice the usage of internal resources (processor and memory) would not match your usage of the device -something it would be very difficult to hide as people use a plethora of different apps to monitor just these things.
Please do attempt to couch your paranoia in the trappings of popular perception. It is an irrational leap to go from the Patriot Act to "Google is conspiring with the NSA to spy on me 24/7 via my cellphone" which is precisely the unstated assertion in your OP.
If this was your first post on the topic, I probably wouldn't even notice, but it seems 1-2 times a month you either post a thread or a comment that is indicative of paranoid delusion. Off the top of my head I can recall your belief that the NSA can crack any encryption in near real-time (and uses that power against American citizens), that the "Internet Kill Switch" would or could be used to widespread political censoring, and that fMRI can be used in some kind of Machiavellian scheme to manipulate the citizenry. This chain of evidence makes me think you had beliefs of this nature long before George Bush was sworn in and are just using some of his actions to mask and justify patently false and inherently offensive belief in conspiracies against the American public by those who are tasked with defending it.
While you're welcome to live in whatever world you decide to build in your head, you should be aware of who you're slandering with this constant accusation. The people that choose to live an obscure life in the bowels of a Virginia bureau are not faceless monsters. They are (largely) patriotic Americans that wish to protect it from harm, from within and from outside. They all swear, above all else, to protect the Constitution. Which is why, in the very rare (and not systematic) time when something illegal is being done in secret, it is brought into the light by the very people you accuse. It's only going to get more open as things like WikiLeaks makes it safer for whistle-blowers to out dirty laundry. The world, even the black budget world, is getting more open and accountable, not less.
