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I became a Trekkie on September 8th, 1966 (was just about to turn 8 years old in Oct. of that year)...

Now that I'm 50, I think I like being called a Trekker better, it sounds more dignified for a Quinquagenarian...

(...obviously the only thing new about this fan is his dissapointment in the extremes that TPTB have decided to take Star Trek into...)
 
well, i thought she was a little girly perhaps, saying things like, "captain, i'm frightened." and getting all misty-eyed sometimes over some of the situations they encountered, while the men were strongly contrasted as being, for the most part, all business.

but these are subtler things, which i only notice prolly b/c i am a product of the post-womens' lib era.

but vacuus? hells no.
 
Alright so...I've got a few questions about new Trek fans. I don't really have a huge problem with people that are new to Trek but treat it with respect, but the new fans who do the slash pairings, and support the SpockXUhura, etc. annoy me. Well, mainly the people who watched Trek after watching the movie just because it is now an "it thing" to watch Trek. I am a new fan, however I did not start watching the series because of the movie. A friend sat me down to watch a few episodes of TOS right around the time that the movie came out.


So my questions...Should all new fans be lumped into the same category? What does "Trekkie" mean exactly? Like...when does someone gain the ability to truely call themselves a trekkie? Also, what do you think about the new movie fans and that the movie brought in -so many- new fans?​

Why does any of this matter? There should not be any hierarchies in fandom. That is just silly.
 
Davejames said:
As much as I liked the Spock/Uhura thing in the new movie, I can't say I was really dying to see that explored on TOS.

The original Uhura always seemed (no fault of the actress) to be way too girly and vacuous for someone like Spock.

This new, more intellectual Uhura seems to be a much better match. And they both enjoy putting down Kirk, so they have that in common too. :D

Oh, I completely disagree with your assessment of the original Uhura, Davejames - you might want to rewatch some TOS if you haven't recently. The original Uhura came across as an intelligent professional with a great deal of personal dignity. Mind you, this was mostly because of Nichelle Nichols, not the way the character was written, but it was definitely there, and that's in spite of some "girly" lines. I don't think you're giving her nearly enough credit.

I like the new Uhura, too, but I don't think we would have had a new Uhura if the original hadn't managed to be a compelling character.
^ I recently rewatched a TOS episode ...of course i can't remember which one at the moment, where Kirk was snapping at Uhura to make contact with someone on the planet (it might have been Operation: Annihilate), and she had been trying and couldnt make contact. She looked at him with steely eyes and told him in no uncertain terms that she had tried and couldnt. Major balls in that moment. She was no girly girl!

And she was definitely the same Uhura that told Spock that she was serving on the Enterprise (as in the NuTrek movie).
QFT.

Granted, the original Uhura was very underwritten, as well as inconsistently written - thus lame 'girly' lines like "captain, I'm frightened". But watch "Mirror Mirror" and see that she was no girly girl by any means. This is a woman who doesnt take $hit from anyone (look at the scene in which MirrorSulu hits on her), and who can fight with guys if needed. Another great moment is in "The Naked Time" when she answers swashbuckling Sulu's "I'll protect you, fair maiden" with "Sorry, neither!" :lol: And as JustKate says, she always came off as a professional with a lot of dignity, her colleagues and superior treated with respect and had confidence in her professional abilities (see her scene with Spock in "Who Mourns for Adonais") and she was not scared of talking back to Kirk or Spock (the above scene that Yeoman mentions, the scene in WMFA I mentioned above). A lot of it was probably not so much due to the script, as to Nichelle Nichols - she did indeed have a commanding presence, and that steely gaze she could give people. For instance, in "The Squire of Gothos", they gave her no lines in the scene when Trelane is talking about her and the yeoman (they are both supposed to just stand there) even when Trelane makes a racist remark - but she does her best to make up for it by shooting a deadly glare at him.

And it was nice that "Bread and Circuses" that she was the one who figured out what it was all about. So, no, although we did not learn too much about her, she did not seem vacuous.
 
Davejames said:
As much as I liked the Spock/Uhura thing in the new movie, I can't say I was really dying to see that explored on TOS.

The original Uhura always seemed (no fault of the actress) to be way too girly and vacuous for someone like Spock.

This new, more intellectual Uhura seems to be a much better match. And they both enjoy putting down Kirk, so they have that in common too. :D

Oh, I completely disagree with your assessment of the original Uhura, Davejames - you might want to rewatch some TOS if you haven't recently. The original Uhura came across as an intelligent professional with a great deal of personal dignity. Mind you, this was mostly because of Nichelle Nichols, not the way the character was written, but it was definitely there, and that's in spite of some "girly" lines. I don't think you're giving her nearly enough credit.

I like the new Uhura, too, but I don't think we would have had a new Uhura if the original hadn't managed to be a compelling character.
^ I recently rewatched a TOS episode ...of course i can't remember which one at the moment, where Kirk was snapping at Uhura to make contact with someone on the planet (it might have been Operation: Annihilate), and she had been trying and couldnt make contact. She looked at him with steely eyes and told him in no uncertain terms that she had tried and couldnt. Major balls in that moment. She was no girly girl!

And she was definitely the same Uhura that told Spock that she was serving on the Enterprise (as in the NuTrek movie).
QFT.

Granted, the original Uhura was very underwritten, as well as inconsistently written - thus lame 'girly' lines like "captain, I'm frightened". But watch "Mirror Mirror" and see that she was no girly girl by any means. This is a woman who doesnt take $hit from anyone (look at the scene in which MirrorSulu hits on her), and who can fight with guys if needed. Another great moment is in "The Naked Time" when she answers swashbuckling Sulu's "I'll protect you, fair maiden" with "Sorry, neither!" :lol: And as JustKate says, she always came off as a professional with a lot of dignity, her colleagues and superior treated with respect and had confidence in her professional abilities (see her scene with Spock in "Who Mourns for Adonais") and she was not scared of talking back to Kirk or Spock (the above scene that Yeoman mentions, the scene in WMFA I mentioned above). A lot of it was probably not so much due to the script, as to Nichelle Nichols - she did indeed have a commanding presence, and that steely gaze she could give people. For instance, in "The Squire of Gothos", they gave her no lines in the scene when Trelane is talking about her and the yeoman (they are both supposed to just stand there) even when Trelane makes a racist remark - but she does her best to make up for it by shooting a deadly glare at him.

And it was nice that "Bread and Circuses" that she was the one who figured out what it was all about. So, no, although we did not learn too much about her, she did not seem vacuous.

I am a huge fan of Uhura, and of Nichols, but I think you are seeing the past through revisionist eyes. You mentioned Mirror, Mirror -- Uhura also almost repeated her "I'm frightened" line ---Kirk then had to reassure her that she could distract Sulu on the bridge.

I think that you are giving Nichols too much credit for having clout on the series. From what I understand, she was paid weekly and was not under contract. She may have been sleeping with The Big Bird, but in many cases Uhura was underwritten or poorly written. I have also read that she frequently mangled/forgot her lines and directors always needed to do many reshoots for her.

Never mind her ever-evolving story about how MLK encouraged her to stay on Trek...first it was a phone call, then she met him in person, etc. This story has been retold and expanded by Nichols in nauseating fashion for years...who knows the truth, but I honestly doubt whether she ever had any contact with MLK about staying on Trek.

Nichols, Takei, and Koenig view the past through revisionist lens...they were bit players on a '60s space opera...to hear them talk about their contributions and their parts you would think they had been the leads in the series!

I love TOS dearly and love all of the actors...but the "supporting players" tend to have a distorted view of the roles they played in the 1960s.
 
well, i thought she was a little girly perhaps, saying things like, "captain, i'm frightened." and getting all misty-eyed sometimes over some of the situations they encountered, while the men were strongly contrasted as being, for the most part, all business.

but these are subtler things, which i only notice prolly b/c i am a product of the post-womens' lib era.

but vacuus? hells no.

I agree, and I would call her "lady-like" rather than girly - that was probably considered a complimentary portrayal at the time. Obviously not tenable today.
 
but speaking of uhura, i sat through another big film from a few years ago and was surprised by what i saw, or that i hadn't realised it before - anybody else remember zoe saldana in 'pirates'? :cool:
 
but speaking of uhura, i sat through another big film from a few years ago and was surprised by what i saw, or that i hadn't realised it before - anybody else remember zoe saldana in 'pirates'? :cool:
Yep. Not a huge part, but you definitely remember her.
 
Oh, I completely disagree with your assessment of the original Uhura, Davejames - you might want to rewatch some TOS if you haven't recently. The original Uhura came across as an intelligent professional with a great deal of personal dignity. Mind you, this was mostly because of Nichelle Nichols, not the way the character was written, but it was definitely there, and that's in spite of some "girly" lines. I don't think you're giving her nearly enough credit.

I like the new Uhura, too, but I don't think we would have had a new Uhura if the original hadn't managed to be a compelling character.
^ I recently rewatched a TOS episode ...of course i can't remember which one at the moment, where Kirk was snapping at Uhura to make contact with someone on the planet (it might have been Operation: Annihilate), and she had been trying and couldnt make contact. She looked at him with steely eyes and told him in no uncertain terms that she had tried and couldnt. Major balls in that moment. She was no girly girl!

And she was definitely the same Uhura that told Spock that she was serving on the Enterprise (as in the NuTrek movie).
QFT.

Granted, the original Uhura was very underwritten, as well as inconsistently written - thus lame 'girly' lines like "captain, I'm frightened". But watch "Mirror Mirror" and see that she was no girly girl by any means. This is a woman who doesnt take $hit from anyone (look at the scene in which MirrorSulu hits on her), and who can fight with guys if needed. Another great moment is in "The Naked Time" when she answers swashbuckling Sulu's "I'll protect you, fair maiden" with "Sorry, neither!" :lol: And as JustKate says, she always came off as a professional with a lot of dignity, her colleagues and superior treated with respect and had confidence in her professional abilities (see her scene with Spock in "Who Mourns for Adonais") and she was not scared of talking back to Kirk or Spock (the above scene that Yeoman mentions, the scene in WMFA I mentioned above). A lot of it was probably not so much due to the script, as to Nichelle Nichols - she did indeed have a commanding presence, and that steely gaze she could give people. For instance, in "The Squire of Gothos", they gave her no lines in the scene when Trelane is talking about her and the yeoman (they are both supposed to just stand there) even when Trelane makes a racist remark - but she does her best to make up for it by shooting a deadly glare at him.

And it was nice that "Bread and Circuses" that she was the one who figured out what it was all about. So, no, although we did not learn too much about her, she did not seem vacuous.

I am a huge fan of Uhura, and of Nichols, but I think you are seeing the past through revisionist eyes. You mentioned Mirror, Mirror -- Uhura also almost repeated her "I'm frightened" line ---Kirk then had to reassure her that she could distract Sulu on the bridge.

I think that you are giving Nichols too much credit for having clout on the series. From what I understand, she was paid weekly and was not under contract. She may have been sleeping with The Big Bird, but in many cases Uhura was underwritten or poorly written. I have also read that she frequently mangled/forgot her lines and directors always needed to do many reshoots for her.

Never mind her ever-evolving story about how MLK encouraged her to stay on Trek...first it was a phone call, then she met him in person, etc. This story has been retold and expanded by Nichols in nauseating fashion for years...who knows the truth, but I honestly doubt whether she ever had any contact with MLK about staying on Trek.

Nichols, Takei, and Koenig view the past through revisionist lens...they were bit players on a '60s space opera...to hear them talk about their contributions and their parts you would think they had been the leads in the series!

I love TOS dearly and love all of the actors...but the "supporting players" tend to have a distorted view of the roles they played in the 1960s.
What does her story about meeting or not meeting MLK have to do with any of this?! Or whether she was sleeping or not sleeping with Roddenberry (BTW, she wasn't by that time - they broke up long before Star Trek was being cast). And then you say that she was underwritten or poorly written as if is supposed to contradict what I said! Did you happen to miss the beginning of my post, where I said exactly the same thing? How am I "seeing the past through revisionist eyes"? What is the past? The episodes? The episodes as as much the present as they were in 1966, you put them on your computer and you watch them. And I watched them, and that's what I saw. You may have your issues with Nichelle Nichols as a person, but I don't see how this has any bearing on the issue. I call it the way I see it, and I saw Uhura as a character with a lot of attitude in many episodes, but that attitude often did not come out of the lines (with exceptions, such as the one in "The Naked Time"). At times she didn't even have any lines, but she almost made up for it with her non-verbal acting and presence, which I've also already said in the previous post.


I really don't see how anything in your post has relevance to what I wrote, let alone how it is supposed to prove it wrong.
 
No need to get so hostile/defensive. I think we are saying many of the same things --- the awkward nature of written communication on here may have blurred some of what I was trying to say.

I guess I just disagree that Nichelle Nichols had the on-camera "presence" that you seem to believe she possessed. That's cool -- it is ok to disagree on here.

I did read too much into your original posting and thought that you had implied that Nichols had clout off-screen -- I apologize for this error. This mistake then led me to my other comments about revisionism.
 
Those so called Trekkies and Trekkers appear to me like they are or want to be part of some kind of pseudo >>>$cientology<<<< for the poor, with annual meetings and a strong superimposed "we"-"us"-"ours"-feeling. "Yeah, you like Trek, you are one of US now... let the party begin... I am sooo happy for you you like it... be enlightened by the sheer grandness of Trek..." What the hell. :wtf:

you are completely right!!! It's terrible they act as if trek was comparable to that ***** of **** called $cientology
 
Well I originally got into TNG because it was on TV while I was actually alive, and didn't really get into TOS that much until the new movie came out, then I went back and re-watched.

In my experience, the 'new' trek fans are some of the most fun people I've ever met in fandom. They're enthusiastic and in love with the characters, and they are hungry for more Trek and more information, especially in the Prime Universe.

Fandom shouldn't be like the army, why does it matter how long you've loved something? The new fans are the future in my opinion, and treating them like pariahs would be counter-productive.
 
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