new enterprise

[aridas sofia]

I do not think the Enterprise "E" is meant to evoke the refit 1701. I think it is very much meant to evoke the Excelsior. It in fact takes the same comic book proportioning and adds to it the flaws of visual clutter for the sake of eye candy.

And thus, I dislike it.

 

[aridas sofia]

mythme said:
I wouldn't mind the 1701 with hull texture similar to the NX-01. By the time Kirk got the Enterprise it was already 15 years old, so an upgrade would be totally feasable. Perhaps most of the film we'll see the "grittier" Enterprise and then maybe at the end, after docking at a Starbase for repairs, we'll see the "smooth" Enterprise flying off into the sunset.

Since I think the NX-01 would have made a helluva good April-era design, I can buy into this reasoning.

 

[Stardate]

Kegek Kringle said:

Vejur said:
I find strange people not like Enterprise E but love Refit. Because its clearly Eaves got his inspiration mostly from Refit design. I admit Enterprise E has it problems but its by far superior design then saucer heavy Enterprise D ever was.

And I find this statement strange, as the Refit and the D were designed by the same guy. I think the D is very elegant - it's constructed almost entirely out of ovals. Beautiful.

Dont get me wrong. I don't find Enterprise a ugly design and i agree Galaxy design does have some elegant to it but saucer is to big compare to engineering hull and way to many windows.

 

[Basil]

I still don't understand why seams, rivets, plates, and porch lights are somehow seen as futuristic rather than looking like a WWII battleship. If design and building technology 200 years from now hasn't figured out how to make a smooth hull, I'll be pretty disappoined. (I indeed do plan to be there.)

 

[Stardate]

aridas sofia said:
I do not think the Enterprise "E" is meant to evoke the refit 1701. I think it is very much meant to evoke the Excelsior. It in fact takes the same comic book proportioning and adds to it the flaws of visual clutter for the sake of eye candy.

And thus, I dislike it.

i am pretty sure its was Refit. I watch intervievs with Eaves when he was talking about designing Enterprise E.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

My problem with the Enterprise "E" is that it's meant to evoke...everything. It has no design integrity. It's a stretched version of the "D" with elements of the original Enterprise and the Excelsior grafted onto it.

 

[Kegek]

Inspiration does not equal quality, either. I could paint a lousy painting, but point out the fact people are scrawny in it, and declare I'm influenced by El Greco.

A design must be good on its own merits, irrespective of whether or not it relats itself to its forbearers.

 

[gastrof]

My new "THIS is..." avatar says it all.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Well, at least we don't have avatars with pictures threatening bloody violence against the producers - yet.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the Enterprise will look like.

It doesn't bother me that it won't look just like the original because I've never for a moment expected it to.

 

[gastrof]

Starship Polaris said:
Well, at least we don't have avatars with pictures threatening bloody violence against the producers - yet...

Pardon?

 

[Kegek]

Give them time. The death threats don't come until there's something substanial to whine about. Normally, anyway... and gastrof, I could swear one of those pictures is Greg Jein's Enterprise. Which I think made some minor, cosmetic alterations to the original design, and is therefore evil incarnate.

 

[gastrof]

I grabbed those pictures off an image search, and couldn't see any differences in any of them.

Could you point out which is the "evil" one? (And tell me the story behind it?)

I can easilly modify the avatar if need be.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Must maintain purity, after all.

 

[Kegek]

The first one. It's the model used in "Trials an Tribble-ations". I was being facetious about it being 'evil', the alterations, IIRC, are pretty minor.

 

[gastrof]

Starship Polaris said:
Must maintain purity, after all.

Quinto's Spock ears are obviously too small.

Your avatar and all copies of such photos must be destroyed.

 

[Franklin]

Starship Polaris said:
My problem with the Enterprise "E" is that it's meant to evoke...everything. It has no design integrity. It's a stretched version of the "D" with elements of the original Enterprise and the Excelsior grafted onto it.

Wasn't "E-E" supposed to be some homage to the older designs?

I'm with Kegek Kringle (hee, Kringle) about "D". I didn't like it at first, but it grew on me. It has its own grace, elegance, and power. Those are also the words that best describe NCC-1701 and the refit. To me, that balance is crucial. So, I'm just hoping the new "grittier" design doesn't sacrifice too much grace for power. To me, that's what happened with "E". It's KEWL, but not beautiful.

The Enterprise should also look like a ship of exploration and peace. It was built for that purpose. It's not the Defiant. It's not even "E-E", which it can be argued was built more as a military ship with the Borg in mind.
NCC-1701 is not primarily a warship. Again, for that reason, giving it a "grittier" look kind of scares me.

 

[Stardate]

Quinto's Spock ears are obviously too small.



Your avatar and all copies of such photos must be destroyed.

 

[gastrof]

Vejur said:

Quinto's Spock ears are obviously too small.



Your avatar and all copies of such photos must be destroyed.

 

[Kryton]

gastrof said:

Starship Polaris said:
Must maintain purity, after all.

Quinto's Spock ears are obviously too small.

Your avatar and all copies of such photos must be destroyed.

Dude...he's YOUNG Spock. Give him a few years. They're not quite the pubes that Ferengie lobes became, but he's still a growing boy!

 

[trevanian]

Kegek Kringle said:

Vejur said:
I find strange people not like Enterprise E but love Refit. Because its clearly Eaves got his inspiration mostly from Refit design. I admit Enterprise E has it problems but its by far superior design then saucer heavy Enterprise D ever was.

And I find this statement strange, as the Refit and the D were designed by the same guy. I think the D is very elegant - it's constructed almost entirely out of ovals. Beautiful.

Well, the -D is kind of what Probert wanted after filtering through GR's notions. The -C is a lot closer to what Probert wanted, and is much nicer IMO, especially what Probert is doing with it now (see trektech, the AMBASSADOR thread I think). I like Probert's work a lot, but he only did parts of the refit.

The dish is always my prob with the -d, that and the tiny engines. It really has only a few good angles, and a LOT of bad ones, moreso than the other ships (well, the -e has a lot of bad angles too.)

When I talked to Eaves, he said the original ship and the Excelsior were his inspirations for the -e, he didn't even mention the -d.