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new 007 a flop??

I disagree about Greene being a top villain. I don't think he's really any better than Le Chiffre. But I agree with a lot of the other things you said. I don't think people really watched the movie if they think there was no character development. And the qualms about these movies being too much like Bourne. Put the organization behind Bourne and those movies are basically Bond films. In fact I bet the creators of those would even tell you that Bond was the big influence in making those movies. And when they were making them there were no good Bond films coming out so they took advantage.
 
Having Casino Royale on UMD allowed me to literally watch QoS almost back to back with Royale.Here are my thoughts:

QoS isn't a separate story,but a continuation of CR with different characters and motivations.

Its well done for a follow up,which is why its not a 'powerful' as Casino Royale.And,one must admit part of Casino Royales appeal was the brand new nature of the film,which in QoS doesn't apply.

My only quibble is why Bond stuck to M after he got d-listed.I know the plot makes it seem a political move,but M would be in as deep a pool as Bond if she were around him while he was on the run,trust or no trust.

But even if you hated Casino Royale,try on QoS.Its worth the 7.50.
 
the character of Bond and his relationship with M (I absolutely loved their brief exchange at the end of the film).

I thought M kicked major, major ass in this film. Judi Dench was superb in my opinion. And I agree with the Bond-M relationship. It was really well done, particularly, as you say, the exchange at the end of the film. I didn't struggle to enjoy this film, but it doesn't live up the CR, for me at least.
 
It's making money, mostly off of people's faith that it would be akin to Casino Royale - which it isn't. There's about 60 seconds of character development in the whole movie, and even that is mostly the Bond girl's character, not Bond himself. The tie in to Casino Royale's story is minimal and takes up about another 90 seconds. The rest of the movie is totally generic action and plot. A huge disappointment.

I would disagree. The journey taken by Bond in the film is just as important as any particularly introspective character moments are or would have been. The action is certainly not pointless, but rather each set piece contributes to the overall journey the character takes.

Can you elaborate on this? How does each set piece contribute? What are the character beats accomplished?
 
It also has a better villain. I still wouldn't rank Dominic Greene as one of the top villains, but at least he was actually a threat to Bond, and displayed some actual control and authority over the story. Le Chiffre was about as menacing as a newborn puppy, and spent the entire film fretting over the debt he had to settle.

I agree. Le Chiffre was definitely the biggest disappointment of CR. As "True to the novel," has it supposedly was (An assessment I never really agreed with, but whatever.), they completely missed the mark here. The Le Chiffre in the novel was 100% sociopath.

For instance, instead of having one of his henchmen put a bullet in the back of Bond's brain right at the table, the movie LC opts for the old (weak) poison bit. Movie LC acts submissive and cowardly one pressured by the Quantum dudes and must rely on his nemesis to terminate them. Book LC blows up half a block in an attempt to kill Bond. Then there's the whole matter of the torture scene.

I know everyone ranted and raved about it, but the one in the movie was just so nerfed. For starters, it wasn't even the right kind of rug beater, but really the beating of the manhood was only one part of the whole ordeal. However, the rest of it (the really evil shit) was completely omitted from the movie. Then there's the whole Bond banter. Sure, it was funny the first time, but was really disconnecting of the tone of the scene--and just made LC the evermore bumbling fool. Then they filmed it in some cliche, undisclosed dungeon location. In the book, he ironically did the whole thing right in his posh living room while enjoying some coffee and an apple.

Now, while Mr. Greene was certianly an improvement, I think he was still a disappointment.

I know most people say with Craig Bond the Broccolis are trying to emulate the Bourne films, but I've seen it more as taking cues from Nolan Bats. If this is the case, hopefully TDK taught them a lesson.
 
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