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Netflix Streaming Genre Alert Thread

I'll admit, when they first announced the split, I did look around at some of the other services, like Amazon or ITunes, and I quickly realized that with the amount of movies and shows I watch, I would be spending a fortune to see all of the stuff I want to see. Yeah, it is twice the price for both DVDs and Streaming, but really for people who watch and ton of shows and movies like me, it's still the best deal by far. I know before I complained about the streaming selection, and while that is still true, there is still plenty of quality stuff to see there if you just look around enough. And for the stuff that isn't there I just do the DVDs.
 
But the content providers are motivated to keep them from acquiring significant content, because it threatens their businesses.

Define "significant content".

For ten dollars a month there is always something on instant streaming that I can waste some time watching compared to the cable bill that is monstrous by comparison.

Did they stumble with the price increase? Probably. But for this customer, they are still the best entertainment value out there... by a long shot. It's silly for people to continue to harp on a mistake while the above continues to be true.
 
I just saw a headline on Yahoo that said Netflix lost 800,000 customers after the switch.
 
I finally decided to just drop Netflix and go with Blockbuster since I primarily watch DVD; I like the idea of swapping at my local store if I want. However, if I ever decide to go back to Netflix for streaming only, it will actually work out to roughly the same that Netflix was wanting to charge with their increase - Netflix streaming for $8.00 and Blockbuster DVD for $15.00.

I do like the idea of Netflix offering old shows that you can't get anywhere else; but Netflix streaming is still crappy through my Internet provider and not really worth it to me.
 
Torchwood Miracle Day's streaming period will end on Nov 25, so if you haven't watched it yet, you should asap. Also, Doctor Who and TW may be removed by Dec 1. Sometimes, contracts are renegotiated and titles remain available, but there's no way to know if that'll happen. :confused:
 
What happened to My Favorite Martian? They recently added it to instant watch. I watched the first two episodes, now it's gone.
 
^ One thing I've grown to dislike about the company, is that they never tell you there's a problem, until after they attempt to fix it. MFM was removed, and yet they don't say why. I can only guess there was a problem with the episodes. Whole seasons of SG-1 & TNG were taken down for a couple of weeks in late summer. And NF never said a word, until after they were restored.
 
From a social standpoint, it is past obvious that intellectual property laws are strangling production (which in this context means availability to viewers.) The sad thing is that there would be lots of people who would prefer to act or direct or write for a middle class living than being another nobody who doesn't get to act or direct or write at all when they don't get to be obscenely wealthy and notorious with monster hits that make the suits even more obscenely wealthy, though obscure. So much for the business perspective.

My consumer perspective is that I've cut DVDs down to one at a time and kept streaming. Popular new releases that would take forever from Netflix I get from Redbox. Netflix is getting less money from me. For what it's worth the cable company will be getting less, too. In fact, if I could have found a DVR or even VCR that could take a cable input I wouldn't have gotten those stupid boxes at all.
 
From a social standpoint, it is past obvious that intellectual property laws are strangling production (which in this context means availability to viewers.)

Um... how is it obvious? Because intellectual property laws don't seem to be stopping production of new material...

The sad thing is that there would be lots of people who would prefer to act or direct or write for a middle class living than being another nobody who doesn't get to act or direct or write at all when they don't get to be obscenely wealthy and notorious with monster hits that make the suits even more obscenely wealthy, though obscure. So much for the business perspective.

That was a very long sentence, so I'm not sure what you're saying... Are you saying there are a lot of people who would like to make stuff, but can't... because of intellectual property laws? Those same laws that would protect THEM if they made something?

And a LOT of people are making stuff. Web content, for example. Or selling books on the internet, directly to the consumer...

So, I'm not sure what intellectual property laws have to do with anything.

My consumer perspective is that I've cut DVDs down to one at a time and kept streaming. Popular new releases that would take forever from Netflix I get from Redbox. Netflix is getting less money from me. For what it's worth the cable company will be getting less, too. In fact, if I could have found a DVR or even VCR that could take a cable input I wouldn't have gotten those stupid boxes at all.

Fair enough. I've been very happy with netflix. I've actually considered dumping cable altogether, because of the amount of content on netflix.
 
And a LOT of people are making stuff. Web content, for example.
For the two most obvious examples: Joss Whedon went to the web with Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog, and Felicia Day's The Guild has garnered her a great deal of success. I don't understand what stj was attempting to say, either.
 
I've actually considered dumping cable altogether, because of the amount of content on netflix.

The only thing that's keeping me paying for cable at all is 1) I like to yak about stuff when it airs and 2) I do like to have TV access to breaking news stories when something important is happening (ie, not Kardashian or Michael-Jackson's-doctor related).
 
Sliders is on Netflix completely. I've been watching the entire series, but I've had to slow down in the last one and a half seasons because it got so bad.
 
Um... how is it obvious? Because intellectual property laws don't seem to be stopping production of new material...

Are you saying there are a lot of people who would like to make stuff, but can't... because of intellectual property laws? Those same laws that would protect THEM if they made something?

And a LOT of people are making stuff. Web content, for example. Or selling books on the internet, directly to the consumer...

So, I'm not sure what intellectual property laws have to do with anything.

Intellectual property is a government sponsored monopoly. The rationale is that monopoly pricing enabled by patents, copyrights enable higher profits, motivating invention and creation. If you remember that trademarks and logos are also intellectual property it is immediately obvious that the rationale and the practice are not the same thing.

Intellectual property laws as currently written permit producers, whose creative functions are distinctly secondary to writers (the conventional unwisdom is directors, but that's another can of worms) to seize the larger share of monopoly profits as well as manipulate availability of their legally entailed products from being available. And as written, copyrights can be renewed practically indefinitely, long after death. Elvis and The Beatles are not being motivated by monopoly profits to continue creating. Using a pop song in a montage can produce a nightmare of rights deals that keep product from availability.

The thing is, in the context of new media that can access creative products at little cost, these intellectual property laws are keeping many, many items unavailable, both inadvertently and as part of nefarious business strategy. It's not just a question of new products after all! These problems make no difference to amoralists who think all successful business strategy is admirable for its profitability of course.

Further, the bizarre extension of copyrights to merchandising means that megahits that spin off toys etc. are vastly more profitable than merely creative ventures. The desire for massive profits from blockbuster movies means that there is less money for regular movies, and a positive disincentive to create anything but the most popular forms of entertainment.

The more profits kept by the producers means less money for large numbers of creative people like writers and actors (and even directors,) which in this society means less incentive. Who knows how many talented actors and writers can't get work because they aren't box office, or can't even get enough work to keep up with the Joneses, much less get enough experience to perfect their talents.

The costs of delivering creative products are elevated by intellectual property laws. That is their purpose. Monopoly pricing reduces production in a capitalist economy. With the advent of very low cost delivery systems the disparity between monopoly pricing in the past and now is ever more extreme, and the distortions of the creative processes in entertainment just as much greater. Putting all creative products that can be delivered via internet, collecting a relatively small access fee, then divvying receipts according to a formula is probably the most rational solution. That is, in such a way as to actually maximize creativity, the professed goal of intellectual property laws.

The problem is that such a system will deliver lower profits to producers. This is consonant with the lower costs of production really. This will not be a problem for creativity because the creative people are not motivated solely by the money. Indeed, the ones who are most motivated by the money tend to be the least creative as near as I can tell.

In practice, the new business model will be the misuse of intellectual property laws to carve out select markets, leaving the consumer with the option of paying more for several services to have complete access or doing without. The limited markets will increase marketing costs, limiting production of new content to what can be most profitable in this limited market. The most profitable new content will be reality programming of various sorts. This trend is well advanced and there is no prospect of change. The business stooges will see to that.
 
The limited markets will increase marketing costs, limiting production of new content to what can be most profitable in this limited market.
The opposite is actually happening. The current economics of scarcity - there can be only X number of TV shows, X number of movies in the local theater, X number of books on the shelves of the local bookstore - is being replaced by economics of abundance, where the options are far greater than any individual person can ever take advantage of, niche tastes are far more likely to be served, the economics are entirely different, and the ability to search effectively is a key ingredient.

Economics of scarcity is what everyone's been used to, but there's nothing "right" or "natural" about it. For instance, who says "good" entertainment has to be expensively produced?

There will be a lot of disruption as the changeover occurs, and businesses like movie studios that are structured around economics of scarcity will resist change because of the pain involved in restructuring their businesses, but it's inevitable. Even if Netflix doesn't win in the end, the idea of Netflix is bound to win.

The most profitable new content will be reality programming of various sorts.

You're just thinking of this in terms of the old TV model. In fact, one of the biggest entertainment trends on the internet is the mashup, which has nothing to do with reality programming.
 
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