When the E-D rams the Schimitar where those forward decks evacuated first? it does not seem like there would have been alot of time. If not, how many people died?
Nemesis crash at end
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ST-One
Vice Admiral
It's the E-E.
And, yes, those decks were evacuated. Several hull-breaches and failing life-support and all that stuff that is mentioned during the battle...
Right sorry, Jeese I was just watching and still got it wrong. Thanks again.
Oh, now you're talking like the Enterprise had crew besides the folks on the bridge and the couple of non-player characters dying with Riker.
I don't recall any orders being transmitted to anyone in the forward portion of the primary hull to evacuate aftward.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
They should have hired the Reeves-Stevenses to contrive the whole scene properly. In FEDERATION they have the -d cutting the head off a WarBird in a ram maneuver, and it not only seems credible both dramatically and pseudo-scientifically, but there is also a terrific punchline from Worf.
Picard: Ramming speed!
(Enterprise rams the Scimitar)
Picard: Crap. Forgot to warn the crew. Oh well. Time to beam to the Scimitar and stand around like a boob as my clone impales himself, forcing my android second officer to kill himself in order to save my sorry keister!
(Enterprise rams the Scimitar)
Picard: Crap. Forgot to warn the crew. Oh well. Time to beam to the Scimitar and stand around like a boob as my clone impales himself, forcing my android second officer to kill himself in order to save my sorry keister!
Plecostomus
Commodore
Well, they knew the risks. They knew they would be called upon at any moment to pay the ultimate price for the greater good and all that. This scene drives home why families do not belong on a starship, even in peace-time. Can you imagine having the D in such a situation, OH WAIT IT WAS! CRASHLAND TIEM!
Lol, "non-player characters."
A
Amaris
Guest
I wonder if the directors total lack of knowledge about the show and characters was the cause of this?
The biggest editing foul-up of this scene is that Picard should have activated the self-destruct as soon as the two ships were connected. It would have justified the whole ramming maneuver. Shame on Baird (a celebrated editor) for not getting his scenes lined up correctly. Wouldn't do much good to blow up once the Scimitar had backed away.
As Professor Farnsworth would say, "Oh... those poor sons of bitches."
Oh, I'm not so sure. Picard had no death wish, he only had a wish to see Shinzon's plans fouled. If ramming the villain's ship sufficed for that, then certainly Picard wouldn't blow himself up.
It was just tough luck that the ramming maneuver didn't hit anything critical in the Scimitar; matters became self-destruct-level desperate only after this became evident.
And self-destruct explosions in general tend to be spectacular affairs. Sitting next to the Scimitar would probably have been as destructive to her as sitting within her...
Too bad that so many treknological constants are forgotten at that point of the storyline. Basically, it shouldn't have been possible for the E-E to become completely transporter-less, or completely incapable of inflicting damage on the enemy. Beaming over a single combatant (and an old man at that) and then doing nothing else was pretty idiotic, when our heroes should have been able to e.g. use the shuttlecraft creatively, or to ram the enemy a second time (those thalaron-emitter wings looked really fragile), or to rig an improvised explosive device or twenty, or...
Timo Saloniemi
Wasn't the ship already on alert status? It's not as if, on the day Picard went one-on-one with Shinzon, that gatherings of families and off-duty crew would be relaxing in the the Enterprise-E's version of Ten Forward, and gazing out the front windows at the Scimitar preparing to destroy them.
All the crew would be on red alert. And wouldn't there be automated proximity alerts warning to evacuate for an attempted ram during battles?
Would you believe... bloody big airbags?
ST-One
Vice Admiral
Some time during the battle the order to evacuate certain sections on 'decks 12 through 17' was given... granted only one or two of those decks are actually in the saucer...
