Need to know questions about Borg books and other Star Trek items

[5billionof5billion]

Can someone please give me the complete list of Borg books? If you have to include the ones I've read and the one or novelizations, it's better than nothing. Here are the ones I've read that aren't novelizations: Vendetta, Resistance, Before Honor, and The Return. I almost waited until The Return came out in paperback to save money because Shatner visited the city I was living in for a convention and was too stuck up to sign autographs. He also wouldn't call on me to get during the question and answer session when I was trying to get his attention. It's hard to say who my favorite Trek actor is. The late Leonard Nimoy is pretty far up there. When I heard the story about Shatner not showing up for his funeral, I sort of joked that he did because of the end of Star Trek II. How do people like my username I used? I couldn't use my name because it was taken, and I had a habit of telling coworkers at my last job that they'd have to do 5 billion parts before they left just to bug them. Of course that wasn't possible to do within anyone's lifespan because to count to 5 billion would take over 158 years day and night. Even with leap years, it'd still be over 158 years. Is it possible for a Borg to die of natural causes? My favorite of Enterprise was Regeneration where they found some Borg who had been there for over 100 years. Has anyone written a sequel to Before Dishonor that brought Janeway back? If not, then how was Peter David able to get away with killing off a main character in a novel that wasn't a movie or Trek episode? The only other two actors I don't care for that much are Marina Sartis or whoever the girl's name that played Troi and Mr. BS because he insisted on killing off Data because he thought he was getting to be too much of an old fart to play the part. (no rhyme intended) There's no reason why they couldn't have gotten a younger actor to play the part. I'd pay to do the part if it meant having him brought back. Also it possible to do CGI of people like they do with some of the creatures like the Gorn on Enterprise and I'm guessing the Tholian? If so, then is there a reason they didn't consider a CGI Data that would look like that Spiner clown? When Spock was killed at the end of The Wrath of Khan, I heard fans used death threats and that may have been the reason they made The Search for Spock. Has anyone who doesn't have qualms about disobeying the sixth commandment considered using that tactic in regards to the death of Data? If so, then why is Mr. BS still around? I had a possible way for him to have survived the no win situation without getting himself killed since it would've resulted in his death anyway. Would it have been possible for an android of his strength to bend the gun from the outside of that ship at an angle that would've caused it to miss? If not, then he did have a brother named B4 who was there at the time named who was just as strong and could've helped him out in that movie that sucked. I would like my answers
God bless, Jason Irelan

 

[ryan123450]

Wow. I was willing to play along up until the death threats part, but...

Wow.

 

[Paris]

Holy shit.

Someone get some protection for Brent Spiner ASAP.

 

[Jinn]

Can someone please give me the complete list of Borg books?

The post-Nemesis Borg novels are: Resistance, Before Dishonor, Greater than the Sum parts of Full Circle and the Star Trek: Destiny trilogy.

Is it possible for a Borg to die of natural causes?

Well the biological parts of it could probably decay but since the Borg is connected to the Hive Mind it's mind would be preserved.

Has anyone written a sequel to Before Dishonor that brought Janeway back? If not, then how was Peter David able to get away with killing off a main character in a novel that wasn't a movie or Trek episode?

That would be The Eternal Tide by Kirsten Beyer.

If not, then how was Peter David able to get away with killing off a main character in a novel that wasn't a movie or Trek episode?

I am pretty sure that Pocket told him to kill her off.

Has anyone who doesn't have qualms about disobeying the sixth commandment considered using that tactic in regards to the death of Data? If so, then why is Mr. BS still around?

Umm... What?! (Also Data was "resurrected" in David Mack's Cold Equation trilogy.)[/QUOTE]

 

[Kilana2]

I guess the OP is not really interested of Kirsten Beyer's novel The Eternal Tide.....

And Jinn took great pains to answer his questions.

 

[Jinn]

I guess the OP is not really interested of Kirsten Beyer's novel The Eternal Tide.....

OP? Overall Public? Overpowered? I am not sure what exactly OP means in this context.

 

[Kilana2]

OP?

original poster

I should have used small letters, though.

 

[Jinn]

original poster

I should have used small letters, though.

Ok that makes sense.

 

[5billionof5billion]

I'm not planning to kill the guy for killing off my favorite character or threatening to. I was just wondering if anyone else has. I'd rather get to Heaven then burn in Hell for murdering someone. Did Pocket Books get permission from Paramount to kill Janeway off? I was told only the movies and episodes were allowed to do that. Also, if Pocket Books brought Data back, that's good; but is that considered canon? That's what I'm looking for. Something that's canon. It was dumb the way they mothballed B4 just before a Borg battle when he might've been more helpful. I know he hasn't had the experience Data had, but he might've been a little helpful. Then there would've been someone onboard who could've gotten away with pointing a phaser at Worf the way that one guy did in Before Dishonor. B4 wouldn't even need a phaser. As far as Borg books go, I was referring to all Borg novels that I haven't read or that haven't been novelizations, not just post-nemesis ones. I read there was one that had a short story with the Borg in it. Does anyone know the name of that one?
That Ron Perlman sure is a hard guy to recognize since he's never done a television series with no makeup that I know of. I remember him best for playing Vincent on Beauty and the Beast.
I know what the Bible says about how we can hate the sin but not the sinner, and I don't hate Brent Spiner. I love him in a Christian way, but I hate what he did.
What is that Star Trek movie with Walter Koenig playing the part of a 143-year-old Chekov? Is it a movie? I thought it would be the name of the new TV series, but it doesn't sound like one. I know it takes place on the Archer, which is a ship that doesn't respect the Prime Directive.
Have the Suliban or the Xindi ever been in a Star Trek: The original series novel or Star Trek: The Next Generation novel? I can't imagine why they wouldn't since they were discovered by Starfleet in the 22nd century. I wonder where they'd come in as far as Borg designation numbers go. Would they consider the Xindi four or five different species to assign numbers to? The aquatics would be a little difficult to board a starship with unless they could put some sort of device on one that would allow them to breathe when they're not underwater. Are the Suliban considered shapeshifters or solids. I hope the next TV series has a shapeshifter on board and that I can watch it without too much difficulty. I really hope that it takes place on board the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-J that was referred to in one of the Enterprise episodes. It was interesting watching them go through that expanse. I knew the Earth wasn't going to be destroyed because of the return to Earth episodes they've done in movies and episodes of the Next Generation. Plus there were a few scenes of Earth on Voyager. I wish they'd hurry up and tell us what the next series will be about instead of keeping us in suspense. How soon will we know?
God bless, Jason Irelan

 

[Kilana2]

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[Jinn]

Did Pocket Books get permission from Paramount to kill Janeway off? I was told only the movies and episodes were allowed to do that. Also, if Pocket Books brought Data back, that's good; but is that considered canon?

I'm not sure if they needed permission since novels aren't considered canon.

What is that Star Trek movie with Walter Koenig playing the part of a 143-year-old Chekov? Is it a movie? I thought it would be the name of the new TV series, but it doesn't sound like one. I know it takes place on the Archer, which is a ship that doesn't respect the Prime Directive.

I have no idea what you are talking about

Have the Suliban or the Xindi ever been in a Star Trek: The original series novel or Star Trek: The Next Generation novel? I can't imagine why they wouldn't since they were discovered by Starfleet in the 22nd century.

The Xindi were Federation members as of 2311 (according to MB) but didn't appear in any not Enterprise novel of which I know. The Suliban were reffered to in a Titan novel I think.

I wonder where they'd come in as far as Borg designation numbers go. Would they consider the Xindi four or five different species to assign numbers to?

I'd say five but there is no canonical evidence to support that.

The aquatics would be a little difficult to board a starship with unless they could put some sort of device on one that would allow them to breathe when they're not underwater.

That would be probably be to much effort for so little gain.

Are the Suliban considered shapeshifters or solids.

The term solid seems to be derived from solid (duh) as oposed to the fluid state of the Founders, therefor the Suliban and other shapeshifting species could be considered solids if their 'normal' state of being was solid. Also the Suliban shapeshiftin was achieved through technology so they are solids.

How soon will we know?

Sometime between now and January 2017.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

And we must remember that the Founders and the Suliban are not the only shapeshifting species we've met. There are the Allassomorphs, the Vendorians, the Chameloids, among others, and there's no conclusive canon on how much of what salt vampires did was actual shapeshifting, and how much was telepathic illusion, given that a salt vampire can hardly be said to have, say, a Talosian's level of mental power, and yet the last survivor of the species wasn't showing up on sensors as an absurdly obvious non-humanoid.

 

[DimesDan]

That's what I'm looking for. Something that's canon.

No Star Trek book has ever been considered "canon," quiet a few stories are part of my own personal continuity, but that isn't the same as canon.

I've always found it strange that people require the need for others to tell them what is and is not "real" in a fictional environment such as Star Trek.

 

[Christopher]

...and there's no conclusive canon on how much of what salt vampires did was actual shapeshifting, and how much was telepathic illusion, given that a salt vampire can hardly be said to have, say, a Talosian's level of mental power, and yet the last survivor of the species wasn't showing up on sensors as an absurdly obvious non-humanoid.

In the early scenes, we saw three different men looking at the Salt Vampire simultaneously and seeing three different women, so it must've been telepathic illusion rather than physical shapeshifting. As for sensors, they don't direct them at the planet until after the creature has beamed aboard in disguise as Crewman Green. And there was no mention of using internal sensors to scan for the creature once it was aboard; that doesn't seem to have occurred to George Clayton Johnson as a possibility.

As for "mental power," it isn't all one thing. A species could evolve a limited, targeted telepathic ability, able to do that one thing very well without having the capacity to do anything else. In the case of the Salt Vampire, it specialized in projecting the image the person wanted to see. I suspect the creature let the observer's own mind do most of the work of filling in the specifics -- maybe not so much consciously projecting words and images into the observer's mind as triggering a state in which the observer hallucinates someone desirable to them.

 

[JD]

Did Pocket Books get permission from Paramount to kill Janeway off? I was told only the movies and episodes were allowed to do that. Also, if Pocket Books brought Data back, that's good; but is that considered canon? That's what I'm looking for. Something that's canon. It was dumb the way they mothballed B4 just before a Borg battle when he might've been more helpful. I know he hasn't had the experience Data had, but he might've been a little helpful. Then there would've been someone onboard who could've gotten away with pointing a phaser at Worf the way that one guy did in Before Dishonor. B4 wouldn't even need a phaser. As far as Borg books go, I was referring to all Borg novels that I haven't read or that haven't been novelizations, not just post-nemesis ones. I read there was one that had a short story with the Borg in it. Does anyone know the name of that one?
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First off, none of the books are canon, and they never have been so you are not going to get any canon recurrection, unless the new movie does it. As for short stories with the Borg, I'm pretty sure there were several Borg stories in the Strange New Worlds collections. It's not a short story, but one of the novellas in Seven Deadly Sins focuses on the Borg.

What is that Star Trek movie with Walter Koenig playing the part of a 143-year-old Chekov? Is it a movie? I thought it would be the name of the new TV series, but it doesn't sound like one. I know it takes place on the Archer, which is a ship that doesn't respect the Prime Directive.

It sounds like you're thinking of the fan series Renegades.

 

[borgboy]

Keep in mind the book that killed Janeway is equally as non canon as the book that brought her back.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

My own fanfic ("Interview with Dr. Ambrose Crater, or 'The Salt Vampire Ate my Parents' ") had a fair amount of speculation on the subject, but to be more specific than that here might constitute a "story idea." If you want the specifics, PM me; if you want to actually read the damned thing, you might have to pay a visit to the Orange Coast College Library. Assuming they still have that semester's Short Story Workshop Class Anthology on file.

 

[Extrocomp]

Also, if Pocket Books brought Data back, that's good; but is that considered canon? That's what I'm looking for. Something that's canon.

I've never understood the bizarre hatred some Star Trek fans feel for stories that are not considered canon. The novels are licensed by CBS/Paramount which means those stories are just as real as the TV episodes and movies. The only thing non-canon means is that CBS is free to contradict the novels if they want to in some future episode of Star Trek. On the other hand, there are many Star Trek episodes that contradict each other despite all of them being canon, so the concept of canon doesn't really mean anything at all.

My advice is that if a novel has not been contradicted by a movie or an episode, you should accept it as part of your personal canon and ignore all this canon nonsense. The Doctor Who universe doesn't have any sort of canon and it's been getting on just fine.

 

[The Wormhole]

Did Pocket Books get permission from Paramount to kill Janeway off?

All Star Trek novels need to be approved by Paramount/CBS before they get published.

 

[borgboy]

Killing Janeway was an editorial mandate given to Peter David. He chose to kill her off in such a way that he left the door wipe open to bring her back by showing her with the Q after her death.
I never really considered her really dead anyway since she wasn't written as really dead at all, not really.