NCAA Football 2008 Discussion - It All Starts Here.
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"kick the living shit out of Ohio State" and "Dislike on a personal level" is fairly objective?
Sounds pretty biased to me.Oh, you mean the game where the refs missed a defensive holding call on Miami with little over a minute to go, during OSU's last drive in regulation? A penalty that would have resulted in a first down and the Buckeyes able to run out the clock? Result = and earned championship.in which they're not handed victory by the refs.
Just checked and TCU is smoking BYU right now, 23-0 at halftime.
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Just one question. How does a team schedule an up-and-coming team on the road several years in advance?
Respectfully, Neroon ... that concerns me not in particular.
How it sounds to you and how it actually is may be two different things, I'm sure you'll agree. If I were biased, I'd probably have found a way to avoid placing OSU number one, yet you've seen me do it more than once in the years I've been ranking teams here. I can dislike a squad while giving them their due as a squad. Ohio State is a fine football team that's had trouble of late winning against SEC powers. That pretty much sums it up, though I phrase it more cuttingly because of my dislike.
[Chuckles.]
I'm sure we could both go back and find further injustices. Would it make any difference? I still consider it the phantom title of 2002—with justification I believe sufficient and you don't. We're not going to convince each other.
Again, we'll agree to disagree.
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They don't. They tend to schedule them when they're still a palooka—as I imagine it's possible Penn State did with USF.
That's why I give them a pass with Syracuse, though. They've been playin' 'em off and on for years. How could they have known the 'Cuse was gonna take such a dive?
Did you know they're also gonna be playin' Nebraska in the coming years? Could be a good series if the 'Huskers continue to rebound.
Their OOC is definitely on an upswing. Shall we leave it at that, amicably?
Best post in weeks 
Personally, I think a lot of the "this team played that team which beat this team which lost to that team" arguments are pretty subjective and could be made for many teams that really aren't better and could be made to discredit teams that really are good. Of course, there really isn't a better standard, but keep in mind that this is an argument that'll never end if people don't want it to end.
Might wanna spare some for Rich-Rod, as he's probably wondering how HE's getting through the rest of the season.
Well put. Thing is that circumstances change, and sometimes radically. Injuries to one team or another, illness, eligibility, even the weather can affect the outcome of a game and thereby the perception of a team's excellence or lack thereof.
Take heart, Commander Vaughn. I can't imagine it's gonna stay this way ... and it might do Michigan fans some good to deal with genuine adversity for a season or two more—only to return with a vengeance, crush Penn State, Wisconsin, MSU and the Bucks, and claim a national championship running the spread with personnel Rodriguez could never have recruited even to West Virginia.
Now wouldn't that be sweet?
I have a few college football teams for which I root, and others I simply don't like. None of it is particularly rational, of course ... but it doesn't have to be.
When I was a very little boy (perhaps four or five), I picked up Michigan and have always had a soft spot for them ever since, though they're no longer my favorite team. I have little doubt my extreme dislike of Ohio State stems in some measure from this, Neroon.
I spent much of my life a diehard Florida State fan. They replaced Michigan in my early teens, and I held firm to them for a good two-and-a-half decades. This is no doubt why I root against Miami at almost every turn (and have in the past even supported the Buckeyes against them). "Wide right" still gives me the shudders.
I spent a few years in the United States Air Force. Thus, I root for all the service academies, but AFA in particular.
Obviously I root for my alma mater, Carroll College of Helena, Montana ... but that doesn't come up unless I mention it.
But it all comes back to where you were born: From birth until eight years of age, I was raised in South Brunswick, which borders New Brunswick, seat of the Rutgers campus. From ages eight to sixteen, I lived in South Plainfield; Rutgers Stadium is in adjoining Piscataway. Part of me will always bleed Scarlet; I loathe West Virginia and don't much like Penn State for this reason. RU's renascence over the last four years has given many transplanted Jerseyans tremendous joy, and their recent struggles are excruciating to us. I've Scarlet Fever in a sea of PSU Blue Bloods; it's not an easy thing.
But I endure.
When I was a very little boy (perhaps four or five), I picked up Michigan and have always had a soft spot for them ever since, though they're no longer my favorite team. I have little doubt my extreme dislike of Ohio State stems in some measure from this, Neroon.
I spent much of my life a diehard Florida State fan. They replaced Michigan in my early teens, and I held firm to them for a good two-and-a-half decades. This is no doubt why I root against Miami at almost every turn (and have in the past even supported the Buckeyes against them). "Wide right" still gives me the shudders.
I spent a few years in the United States Air Force. Thus, I root for all the service academies, but AFA in particular.
Obviously I root for my alma mater, Carroll College of Helena, Montana ... but that doesn't come up unless I mention it.
But it all comes back to where you were born: From birth until eight years of age, I was raised in South Brunswick, which borders New Brunswick, seat of the Rutgers campus. From ages eight to sixteen, I lived in South Plainfield; Rutgers Stadium is in adjoining Piscataway. Part of me will always bleed Scarlet; I loathe West Virginia and don't much like Penn State for this reason. RU's renascence over the last four years has given many transplanted Jerseyans tremendous joy, and their recent struggles are excruciating to us. I've Scarlet Fever in a sea of PSU Blue Bloods; it's not an easy thing.
But I endure.
I can identify with that. I grew up in a small town in wesern Ohio, so it made sense to become a Cincinnati Reds fan as opposed to a Cleveland Indians or Detroit Tigers fan. My folsk weren't big sports folks, so it pretty much was up to me. A good family friend loved Johnny Bench and the Reds, so I gravitated there.
One aberration to all of that was how I came to follow the then LA Rams. I liked the helmets and their spiral decal. Good, rational reasoning there, huh?
One aberration to all of that was how I came to follow the then LA Rams. I liked the helmets and their spiral decal. Good, rational reasoning there, huh?
Considering that they have added mostly patsies to their schedules, it may have been better if big-10 had done what pac-10 did for the 12th game, add a conference game. Of course the reason they didn't do that was it would have hurt the records of some teams, maybe costing them bowl eligibility or forcing them to go to a lesser bowl. Adding a conference game would have guaranteed one more loss for half the teams, adding a patsy could result an extra win for all teams. And big-10 wasn't alone in this, SEC, big-12 and ACC did the same thing (though those conferences at least had the excuse of the extra championship game).
I am happy that pac-10 did the right thing, now each team plays every other team in the conference (ironically the 12th game that was added to USC's schedule in 2006 was against Oregon State, which they lost). In case of big-10 they still would have missed playing one team, but it's better than not playing 2 other big-10 teams that they have now.
Having the conference championship isn't much of an excuse in this argument, given that it's still accompanied by complaints about who gets to play in what bowls. Those conferences chose to have the playoff game because of the extra income. It wasn't forced upon them by the NCAA or anyone else. Consequently, when the SEC plays more non-BCS schools for its non-conference games than any other conference, their complaints ring quite a bit more hollow.
That said, I do miss the days when a team played everybody in its conference. Sadly, those days are gone as it's almost required for a major program to play others from around the country in order to maintain exposure.
That said, I do miss the days when a team played everybody in its conference. Sadly, those days are gone as it's almost required for a major program to play others from around the country in order to maintain exposure.
mimic ... this is just for you. Make sure you go through all 10. Or once the screen comes up, just click on the left arrow.
I'm pretty excited for the games later today. Sparty takes on Ohio State, and Michigan will get to play Penn State.
I'm hoping at least one of those teams wins. Preferably Michigan, but thats not looking good.
I'm hoping at least one of those teams wins. Preferably Michigan, but thats not looking good.
I'm pretty sure you can count on two of those four teams winning. Someone said it's designed that way.
Well if the Michigan State-Ohio State game somehow produced two losers I would not be terribly upset...
