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NBC might not be saving Heroes

Then there's what happened with Prisoner.

"I want to make 6 episodes only"

"18."

"Bugger off."

"You will not contend with us."

"18?"

"18"

"Oh too bloody right I'll make 18."

The writers (and McGoohan) went batshit "sabotaging" the show with the most whacked out bullshit imaginable because they thought that a dada farce mind fuck would be preffereable to bending over for their superior who wanted more spyshit... And then they went to town with the final episode.

Life imitates art, what?
 
Well if they do end it atleast give us the full blown knock fight between a fully powered Peter and Sylar that they kept cheating us from.:rolleyes:
 
They should only agree to air shows where the writers have thought up two seasons in advance before production. That gives them enough time to think up further stuff with plenty of time.

Problem is, most writers only bother thinking up one season's worth of a show with no idea how to continue past that which screws things up to begin with.

Actually, the Heroes producers did have a plan for multiple seasons, but it entailed replacing most of the cast after the first season. When many members of that cast proved popular with audiences, the network told the producers to keep them around.

So just having an advance plan doesn't guarantee anything, because any number of factors could lead to the plan having to be changed. In fact, the claim in your second paragraph is dead wrong; most showrunners these days do come up with multi-season plans for their series. For instance, the producers of FlashForward had a plan that encompassed this first season, a flexible number of intermediate seasons, and a two-season final arc. But the showrunners have changed so that may no longer be the case. The Fringe producers originally planned to unfold the storyline about the parallel universe over several seasons, but decided to accelerate it so that we're now getting revelations that were initially planned to come years later.

So it's pretty routine these days for producers to have multi-season plans. It's also routine for those plans to be subject to change.
 
I'm surprised it made it this long. I quit watching back in early-mid season 3. I found it becoming quickly repetitive and obvious the writers were clueless. The original idea of no hero being safe was excellent. Then the suits got involved...
 
It's kind of funny how the characters they introduced later on almost universally fell flat. Makes me wonder how good any of the replacement cast would've been had Kring been allowed to go through with it.
 
Actually, the Heroes producers did have a plan for multiple seasons, but it entailed replacing most of the cast after the first season.

Did they have detailed plans, or was it just, "kill everyone off, repeat S1 - clueless people discover they have powers - till the ratings tank"?

If so, then they must not have realized something very basic about TV, namely that audience affinity towards this or that favorite character is a powerful factor in ratings. They should have realized that if the show was a success, at least one or two of the characters would have become too popular to lose. It happens all the time in the TV biz.

It's kind of funny how the characters they introduced later on almost universally fell flat. Makes me wonder how good any of the replacement cast would've been had Kring been allowed to go through with it.

Yeah, they got lucky with their S1 cast. The original plan would have sunk the show just as fast, if not faster. Then we'd have characters we hate, plus the same sucky writing we got.
 
Given they completely wrecked his plans I can only wonder at it too. It started so brilliantly but then it quickly turned into rehashing itself and going nowhere.
 
Either Kring had been honing that first-season story for years, and then didn't have time to come up with something equally good in later seasons, or it was the work of some unknown writer that Kring stole and claimed as his own. Seriously. It's weird to see a writer just "lose his talent" like that. Any writer or writing staff that can pull off S1 should be able to do semi-decent work as an ongoing thing. Something is really wrong with that picture.
 
Hmm, suppose that with their track record of quality original programming maybe AMC could get someone to do their own AMC-aired Sci-fi/fantasy show? We'd get a sci-fi show that might be on the level with Mad Men or Breaking Bad.
 
If so, then they must not have realized something very basic about TV, namely that audience affinity towards this or that favorite character is a powerful factor in ratings. They should have realized that if the show was a success, at least one or two of the characters would have become too popular to lose. It happens all the time in the TV biz.

Two words: Doctor Who. Since the new series debuted, it's never gone more than one season with the same two leads. Lots of British shows are designed with single-season arcs or go through frequent cast changes if they last several seasons.
 
Ah, but American TV is something else entirely. If Doctor Who were an American show, it would have been cancelled eons ago. No tax supported BBC to give it a safe haven and access to a large audience plus massive amounts of competition would have doomed it by now.

Hmm, suppose that with their track record of quality original programming maybe AMC could get someone to do their own AMC-aired Sci-fi/fantasy show?

You haven't heard about AMC doing The Walking Dead? Well now you have!
 
I mean how many shows in this day and age are allowed to run for many seasons anyway.


Law & Order - 20th Season
Law & Order: Special Victims Unit - 11th Season
CSI - 10th Season
Smallville - 9th Season
Law & Order: Criminal Intent - 9th Season
24 - 8th Season
CSI Miami - 8th Season
Cold Case - 7th Season
NCIS - 7th Season
CSI: NY - 6th Season
House - 6th Season
Medium - 6th Season
Desperate Housewives - 6th Season
Grey's Anatomy - 6th Season
Lost - 6th Season
Criminal Minds - 5th Season
Bones - 5th Season
Ghost Whisperer - 5th Season
Supernatural - 5th Season

The Simpsons - 21st Season
South Park - 14th Season
Family Guy - 9th Season
Curb Your Enthusiasm - 7th Season
Two and a Half Men - 7th Season
American Dad - 6th Season
The Office - 6th Season
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia - 5th Season
How I Met Your Mother - 5th Season
Rescue Me - 5th Season
 
Yep and L&O just got the can so you can subtract them. Most series are given an average of 5 years for syndication purposes topping out at 7 years but there are obviously exceptions to that rule. Anything going 10 plus years is an extraordinary exception these days. Most series just don't have the ratings or backing of the studio to keep going and with salary demands for casts and crew going up every time they negotiate, it gets too expensive to keep them on unless cast and crew are rotated out.
 
Ah, but American TV is something else entirely.

As a rule, yes. Does that mean it's impossible to try to change it? Maybe that was the idea -- to try something more like the British model, to take a chance that maybe US viewers are smarter than network executives tend to assume.

And maybe if Heroes had been a more moderate success instead of a runaway hit, NBC might've been more willing to undertake the experiment of shuffling the cast around. It wouldn't be the first time a show was a victim of its own runaway success. Note how much the storytelling on Lost suffered in the second season when they had to stretch out their plans to accommodate a long run and thus forced the characters into repetitive holding patterns rather than letting them evolve.

Anyway, it's not as if NBC hasn't had shows with heavy cast turnaround before. Look at Law & Order. It went through two lead detectives in two and a half seasons before settling on Jerry Orbach, then replaced the captain and junior DA after the third season, the senior DA the year after that, the junior detective the year after that, and so on.
 
Either Kring had been honing that first-season story for years, and then didn't have time to come up with something equally good in later seasons, or it was the work of some unknown writer that Kring stole and claimed as his own. Seriously. It's weird to see a writer just "lose his talent" like that. Any writer or writing staff that can pull off S1 should be able to do semi-decent work as an ongoing thing. Something is really wrong with that picture.
This is as good an opening as any--the problems I had with S2 and S3 (haven't seen S4--actually at this juncture it's bled together a bit and I can't remember if I finished S3*) were pretty much the same problems S1 had, only writ somewhat larger. The biggest problem has always been the reliance on insane coincidence, followed by inconsistent powers, followed by the extremely poor, but plot-convenient, judgment exhibited by most characters. These two troubling aspects were on full display in S1, and didn't really jump in frequency in S2. S2's only original problem was failure to make Adam's heel face turn believable, which distinguished him from Sylar's superior villain model (even if at first Adam probably had greater potential, because he wasn't as purely evil).

I'll grant that these three Cs--coincidence, convenience, and (lack of) consistency--are the sort of thing that get exponentially grating the more they're used, but they were all there in S1.

*Okay--I never got to the bit with the eclipse, or where Mohindrance became a spider, wherever these are in the chronology. These plot points come across as so ungodly stupid that I was sort of glad the wear and tear from the normal Heroes experience--that is the coincidence, convenience, and inconsistency train--exhausted me. I did get far enough to understand why the fan-moniker "Mohindrance" was coined, however.

South Park's been on for fourteen years?!? :eek:

Now this, I agree, is mind-boggling. Hasn't been particularly amusing or novel in five or ten.
 
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