Natural Selection and the Jedi?

[Masiral]

I know you are all about the weird threads and odd comments Guy but in a galaxy that has trillions of beings, a Jedi Code that is not followed with any semblance of vigor, and a mystical energy field that can manipulate events to benefit "its" sense of balance there really is no reason to believe that just cause a group of people restrict one contributing factor to reproduction that Force-users could theoretically die out.

Yeah, I haven't been sure how seriously to take this thread, but according to the now-defunct Expanded Universe, new Force users were born all the time, all across the galaxy. The Jedi Order used to allow marriages and reproduction, though this was established before the prequels had established that Jedi could not marry, necessitating a change of policy within the Order. And the Sith were often of the same gender, or of possibly incompatible species, so procreation would only be made possible by bringing in someone outside the Sith, which could possibly lead to them being discovered. And I don't think it was ever firmly established that every child of a Force user could also use the Force, so procreation may not necessarily result in more Jedi or Sith.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's almost like George Lucas didn't think things out, and only chose ideas and concepts because he thought they sounded cool at the time.

Give this man a cookie!

So monogamy is ok...

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Come on, J_M, up top!

Give this man a cookie factory!



I know you are all about the weird threads and odd comments Guy but in a galaxy that has trillions of beings, a Jedi Code that is not followed with any semblance of vigor, and a mystical energy field that can manipulate events to benefit "its" sense of balance there really is no reason to believe that just cause a group of people restrict one contributing factor to reproduction that Force-users could theoretically die out.

Dying out is extreme version of what is happening to their breeding pairs.

The honesty of the matter is that I am fearfully describing is a stunt, unintentional or otherwise, to the evolution of force users.

How things were before order 66, the Galaxy would produce x number of strong enough force users to be noticed by the Republic census bureau, who are "forced" to become Jedi and celibate.

But if these force adept, even untrained, seemingly powerless because they are ignorant, but still with the potential to become Jedi or Sith, were left alone in the wild to keep making babies, each generation potentially stronger force users than the last if anyone would actually take their hand and explain their magical abilities to them...

The only reason Luke could kill womprats from his T-16 is that the force gave him a super human degree of accuracy which non force users would assume is impossible. You know in bowling when kids play and the monkeys behind the shoe counter put planks over the lane gutters so that the kids can't throw gutter balls? That is Luke Skywalkers life. Force blind him, open young Skywalker to a universe where there are gutters, and there is no way he could even hit a dewback from his T-16.

Smug blond git needs a slap.

(Below are logical assumptions more than facts.)

Because the Jedi/Sith do not breed with Jedi/Sith...

1. The ceiling for how powerful a Jedi/Sith can become has remained constant or 20 thousand years.

2. The number of Jedi to oversee the Republic has remained proportionate with the size of the Republic since the founding of the Republic.

...

If the Jedi/Sith started breeding with Jedi/Sith...

1. The ceiling for how powerful a Jedi/Sith can become will rise and continue rinsing with each generation.

2. The number of Jedi overseeing the Republic will exceed the number of Jedi needed to oversee the republic and continue to grow until "most" children have the potential to be strong force users with a modicum of training.

 

[Jedi_Master]

The amount of "Power" a Force user has is entirely random, based on the needs of the story. So Leia is no where near as powerful as her twin brother.

The chance of a Force sensitive child being born to Force sensitive parents is also random.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I know you are all about the weird threads and odd comments Guy but in a galaxy that has trillions of beings, a Jedi Code that is not followed with any semblance of vigor, and a mystical energy field that can manipulate events to benefit "its" sense of balance there really is no reason to believe that just cause a group of people restrict one contributing factor to reproduction that Force-users could theoretically die out.

Yeah, I haven't been sure how seriously to take this thread, but according to the now-defunct Expanded Universe, new Force users were born all the time, all across the galaxy. The Jedi Order used to allow marriages and reproduction, though this was established before the prequels had established that Jedi could not marry, necessitating a change of policy within the Order. And the Sith were often of the same gender, or of possibly incompatible species, so procreation would only be made possible by bringing in someone outside the Sith, which could possibly lead to them being discovered. And I don't think it was ever firmly established that every child of a Force user could also use the Force, so procreation may not necessarily result in more Jedi or Sith.

Midichlorians are stupid.

But if a persons ability to be a good or bad habitat for a colony of midichlorians determines their ability to "potentially" use the force, this seems like an inherited trait that is immediately passed on from parent to child like flat feet, bad eye sight or eye colour.

(Even though apparently Anikan does not have a father.)

 

[Masiral]

Midichlorians are stupid.

But if a persons ability to be a good or bad habitat for a colony of midichlorians determines their ability to "potentially" use the force, this seems like an inherited trait that is immediately passed on from parent to child like flat feet, bad eye sight or eye colour.

(Even though apparently Anikan does not have a father.)

It's Anakin, and he does not have a father, having been created by the Force in response to the actions of Darth Plagueis and Palpatine.

It would make sense for it to be an inherited trait, and indeed, all the children of Jedi that I can think of have become Jedi (or Sith), but I think it's more akin to wizards in Harry Potter - every so often, there's a Squib (non-magic child of magic parents).

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Mitochlorians don't exist by invocation of the 'De-coolification' clause. That if two canon sources imply contradictory ideas, or if the establishment of a new idea retroactively makes a previous one less cool, the cooler idea wins.

It is true the only indication we have that suggests the force is genetic is the fact Luke and Leia can use it. It's never been established outright.

We also don't know what percentage of people who can use the force become Jedi. In the prequels they reject anyone they don't find before the age of 3.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Midichlorians are stupid.

But if a persons ability to be a good or bad habitat for a colony of midichlorians determines their ability to "potentially" use the force, this seems like an inherited trait that is immediately passed on from parent to child like flat feet, bad eye sight or eye colour.

(Even though apparently Anikan does not have a father.)

It's Anakin, and he does not have a father, having been created by the Force in response to the actions of Darth Plagueis and Palpatine.

It would make sense for it to be an inherited trait, and indeed, all the children of Jedi that I can think of have become Jedi (or Sith), but I think it's more akin to wizards in Harry Potter - every so often, there's a Squib (non-magic child of magic parents).

You will die of old age trying to correct all my misspellings.

I dare you to die of old age correcting all my misspellings.

My user name has had a typo in it for the last 15 years.

Doctor Strange called Hawkeye a Muggle in the final of Thunderbolts yesterday.

In season 6 of Clone wars, there were twin Jedi in a big fight before one of them got Manchurian Candidated by a premature 66ing clone trooper.

In the beginning of the AIDS, they noticed that %80 of people who had AIDS, also had hepatitis, which means that they could use (slipshot) statistical data tracking hepatitis to roughly track how AIDS had got to where it was and maybe where it's point of origin might have been.

Midichloriaians might have nothing to do with a persons functionality of the force, and just be a tangental something that happens beside the force like maybe a parasite that sees humanoids as a nice duckblind to leap out form and "eat" approaching force.

Although if they eat force, what do they poop?

 

[Shaka Zulu]

It's Anakin, and he does not have a father, having been created by the Force in response to the actions of Darth Plagueis and Palpatine.

Or having being created by Darth Plagueis (at least, his mom) in order to bring about the events of the prequel trilogy.

 

[Draculasaurus]

I know you are all about the weird threads and odd comments Guy but in a galaxy that has trillions of beings, a Jedi Code that is not followed with any semblance of vigor, and a mystical energy field that can manipulate events to benefit "its" sense of balance there really is no reason to believe that just cause a group of people restrict one contributing factor to reproduction that Force-users could theoretically die out.

Yeah, I haven't been sure how seriously to take this thread, but according to the now-defunct Expanded Universe, new Force users were born all the time, all across the galaxy. The Jedi Order used to allow marriages and reproduction, though this was established before the prequels had established that Jedi could not marry, necessitating a change of policy within the Order. And the Sith were often of the same gender, or of possibly incompatible species, so procreation would only be made possible by bringing in someone outside the Sith, which could possibly lead to them being discovered. And I don't think it was ever firmly established that every child of a Force user could also use the Force, so procreation may not necessarily result in more Jedi or Sith.

Midichlorians are stupid.

But if a persons ability to be a good or bad habitat for a colony of midichlorians determines their ability to "potentially" use the force, this seems like an inherited trait that is immediately passed on from parent to child like flat feet, bad eye sight or eye colour.

(Even though apparently Anikan does not have a father.)

Watto was Anakin's dad.
All the clues are there.
He was Jeffersoning Shmi all the time.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Watto is forceproof, can't mind control him, which might make him "force Barren"?

So this is awkard.

Can someone post a lot of seminaked pictures of Anikan shirtless so that we can see if he has wings?

As many as you can, as shirtless as possible.

Break them into two groups.

Flexing and nonflexing, just in case he's trying to hide them.