Natural Selection and the Jedi?

[Guy Gardener]

If the Jedi don't ####, do the Sith ####?

The Jedi is an evolutionary dead end, because they are religiously convicted not to churn out super babies, after billions of mundanes have been bumping fuzzies for millions of years to make a single Jedi. How is that fair? More importantly that should mean the genetic inroads leading to Jedi should be running out and dying off if all Jedi are chaste and all mundanes that can make Jedi are giving birth to chaste babies. Flatscans shouldn't be able to make Jedi either.

If the Sith are running around with no pants on spreading their seed, isn't that probably where all the Jedi children come from that are inducted into the temple?

Telepathically removing memories = Virgence in he force.

All the younglings Vader killed in the revenge of the Sith, probably Maul, Dooku or Palpatines kids or grandkids.

If the Jedi know this, they should not want to destroy the Sith, just find them a nice farm surrounded by an electrified fence where the Sith are fed an endless supply of fertile women to rut with.

(Can't girls be Sith?)

(Rule of Two. Apprentice plus Master plus Child = Three.)

A female Sith would have to kill her master/apprentice to bare a force using child, or be killed by their master/apprentice or their child is killed by their master/apprentice.

The male master and apprentice dynamic would still murder each others children, that they know about, which just leaves all the other children they don't know about, which is why they bone, mindwipe and run, so that all these dimwitted shepherdesses on backward dung planets think that they are having virgin births.

 

[RoJoHen]

Jedi are grown on farms.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Well the Jedi Code was flagrantly violated on a regular basis, and considering that the Star Wars Galaxy could hold up to one quadrillion beings, it is hard to imagine a future where Force sensitive beings die out.

 

[RoJoHen]

I don't think sex was forbidden. Compassion and attachment were forbidden. So you can have sex as long as its cold and emotionally distant.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I don't think sex was forbidden. Compassion and attachment were forbidden. So you can have sex as long as its cold and emotionally distant.

So monogamy is ok...

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

I don't think sex was forbidden. Compassion and attachment were forbidden. So you can have sex as long as its cold and emotionally distant.

So monogamy is ok...

Well played.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

New Jedi are still being born, because the order will recruit from wherever they can find new people. So there's no danger of dying out.

As for the Sith? There's a rule that there can only be two at once (master and apprentice) so that pretty much takes care of any problems with birth rates. Sith can also recruit from 'outsiders', I should think.

 

[Jedi_Master]

There can be (and was) unlimited DarkSide Force users, you just had to pass the awesome test to become a Sith Lord.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Lets use red heads as an example.

You tell them that they are so special that they are not allowed to breed.

Every time your talent scouts seen a red head, they round up the ginger and take them off to a secret farm.

If you keep taking red heads out of the genepool, eventually the world is going to run out of (natural) red heads.

...

It's what G'Kar said about Telepath after the Shadows Culled their Psychic army a thousand years earlier.

Lindstrom: "But as far as I know, there are no Narn telepaths. You may not even carry the gene."

G'Kar: "There are no Narn telepaths now. But once, long ago, there were."

Lindstrom: "Yeah. What happened to them?"

G'Kar: "They and their families were exterminated. The telepath gene has never been strong enough in the survivors to breed a natural telepath.

...

The rule of two dictates the size of a Sith colony. There is no evidence to say that there can only be one Colony. They probably mark off borders, and respect territory until they're ready to make a move.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

I don't think sex was forbidden. Compassion and attachment were forbidden. So you can have sex as long as its cold and emotionally distant.

I don't think sex was forbidden. Compassion and attachment were forbidden. So you can have sex as long as its cold and emotionally distant.

So monogamy is ok...

Both are forbidden, as the Jedi are warrior monks and nuns who have to maintain complete focus and mental discipline (which is why Anakin was threatened with expulsion in Attack Of The Clones by Obi-Wan , and why Obi-Wan had said to Santine that he'd considered leaving the Jedi Order for her and him to be married in one episode of The Clone Wars.)

Despite that, there are fan parings of Obi-Wan and Anakin, Asoka and Barris, & Asoka & Rex, all at deviantArt, or seen with a search from Google.

 

[Guy Gardener]

What are the consequences of leaving the Jedi?

You still have all the same powers, but you don't have access to their resources or credibility.

You don't/can't be stripped of your powers.

Resign from he Jedi, then walk straight into a casino.

But ex-jedi would be monitored in case there's some danger of them turning Sith?

Would love and doing it reduces Jedi potency?

Anikan seemed fine.

However, what about resignation in times of war?

Fight a Droid army or claim that you are in love with some girl and that is why you are not going to fight the Droid army.

Cowardice/fear is an emotion that the Jedi modify suppress, so that mass desertion is never a problem?

 

[JirinPanthosa]

How do we know all people with the force gene become Jedi?

Sith probably arbitrarily murder or otherwise get killed anybody they impregnate. They are quite the mustache-twirlers, always portrayed as just being interested in evil for evil's sake rather than having any kind of real personal motives.

Jedi always seem to be either paragons or consumed by the evil. Why are they never consumed by the neutral?

 

[HIjol]

What are the consequences of leaving the Jedi?

You still have all the same powers, but you don't have access to their resources or credibility.

You don't/can't be stripped of your powers.

Resign from he Jedi, then walk straight into a casino.

But ex-jedi would be monitored in case there's some danger of them turning Sith?

Would love and doing it reduces Jedi potency?

Anikan seemed fine.

However, what about resignation in times of war?

Fight a Droid army or claim that you are in love with some girl and that is why you are not going to fight the Droid army.

Cowardice/fear is an emotion that the Jedi modify suppress, so that mass desertion is never a problem?

If you leave the Jedi, you become "Jedi-X" and you have to go to a school with all the other Jedi-Xs to learn how to Use Your Power. It is run by a wise Elder Jedi (who has not had Monogomy in ages, if ever.)

You learn to unlock your Inner Jedi, get a really cool nickname, and a cool outfit to go with it.

As to the question of Jedi and Sex, is it possible that the Metachlorians "turn on" (pun for Timewalker)at a critical part of a Jedi's life so that he can unleash the Tumultuous Force That is Within Him, and then move on to a Jedi's true Calling and Nature:

Monogamy

 

[Draculasaurus]

Lets use red heads as an example.

You tell them that they are so special that they are not allowed to breed.

Every time your talent scouts seen a red head, they round up the ginger and take them off to a secret farm.

If you keep taking red heads out of the genepool, eventually the world is going to run out of (natural) red heads.

...

It's what G'Kar said about Telepath after the Shadows Culled their Psychic army a thousand years earlier.

Lindstrom: "But as far as I know, there are no Narn telepaths. You may not even carry the gene."

G'Kar: "There are no Narn telepaths now. But once, long ago, there were."

Lindstrom: "Yeah. What happened to them?"

G'Kar: "They and their families were exterminated. The telepath gene has never been strong enough in the survivors to breed a natural telepath.

...

The rule of two dictates the size of a Sith colony. There is no evidence to say that there can only be one Colony. They probably mark off borders, and respect territory until they're ready to make a move.

That's not how it works, because Jedi aren't born Jedi.
Every generation randomly produces kids who are strong in the force.
A certain percentage are discovered by the Jedi while they're still young enough to train, and a certain percentage of those are allowed/willing to go receive training.
Then there must be a good number of washouts and rejects.
I'm guessing just a small fraction of potential Jedi ever complete the training and become knights.
-but once they do- Everybody knows what happened to the last guy who had sex, Obi Wan pushes you into lava and burns off your wiener.
Probably quite a deterrent.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Midichlorians are bugs in a persons body.

Actually Midichloians are Bugs in the entire universe.

Bugs like the flu, not bugs like ticks or scabies.

So every bastard and their dog are surrounded by a universe saturated in midichlorians and in turn themselves saturated by midichlorians. But for how long? if midichlorians don't want to be inside you, they'll just pass straight through. Or do they build up like plaque on your arteries?

Midichlorians catch the Force like a sail on a boat catches wind.

Your ability to use the force depends on your midichlorian count, like your sail boats speed depends on how much wind the sail collects.

Midichlorians chose to live inside people or are trapped inside people. I can imagine cosmic winds (the living force) just blowing Midichlorians at people constantly, which means almost as many midichlorians are entering people as are exiting their bodies, and the surplus of that number is how well they can manipulate the Force? How long does a midichlorian live inside a person? Seconds, weeks, or a life time? How long do midiclorians live? If they are like bacteria they could be making babies inside people? Positive viruses?

Maybe it's a question of comfort?

It feels better to live inside some people than it does to live inside others. Some people are a mansion with all the modcons and other people are a vandalized council estate.

If it's the taste/scent/texture of a persons insides that determines how welcoming their physiology is to midichlorians then the determination for a persons ability to host x numbers of midichlorians is determined on how well his or her parents could host z + y numbers of midichlorians given that there is an equal likelihood of y and z being either positive or negative numbers.

And that is natural selection.

The more you can use the force, because of the nicer you are as a midichlorian habitat, the more potent you are as a person in any conceivable way, because the universe seems to bend to your will and things go your way. You are a winner who is winning and that means that you get the perfect mate and the great job and you can almost telepathically sense threats...

The strongest habitats for midichlorian colonies become jedi, who do not have children.

Full stop, the end.

Therefore only weaker habitats for midichlorian colonies are still ####ing and making babies that are less likely to make a Jedi (or Sith).

As long as a strongest midichlorian habitats who are not jedi are still drawn to each other, their progeny should, generations down the line should still have the capacity to become Jedi... Even though every child of a Jedi even with coupled with force-barren (extremely negative Y or Z values.) sexual partner should produce a forceuser strong enough to perhaps almost certainly be Jedi.

"Force-barren" seems like an offensive term that would describe a physiology that is toxic and hostile to midichlorians. Possibly that could be true for entire species if not just random particular persons paddling in the shallow end of the genepool.

If nothing is stopping the Force barren from breeding in the same pool as the sexually active, not strong enough to be noticed by Jedi recruiters, force adept for a couple generations yet families, then if they interbred, the children of this intercourse, their lineages potential to become Jedi is falling and not rising.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You think it's random Draculasarus?

It's biology not magic.

You have your father's nose like Luke had his father's midichlorian count.

Meanwhile if it was random, how do they keep their ranks stocked?

Quai gon Jin told 9 year old Anikan in Phantom menace that if he would have been born on a Republic world then the Jedi would have tracked him down and taken the little bugger into their order to be taught the ways of the force.

Jedi recruiters.

They have to find kids.

0 to 4 years old?

Do you think they knock on doors like Mormons?

Or wait for parents to hand over kids they're bored with?

(Does the Jedi buy children? How is that legal?! Slightly more legal than kidnapping masquerading as conscription.)

I suppose it would be polite to only source youngling Jedi from orphanages?

But that hardly seems realistic?

Meat for the grinder.

The Force was unbalanced.

Hundreds of thousands of Jedi and 2 Sith.

Someone needed to bring balance to the force!

Does every child in he republic take a test in first grade?

Or is there blood screenings when every baby is born?

In the Old Republic, sure there were cracks, but they found enough Jedi to keep the business running.

In the Empire, I'm assuming the same blood screenings and school tests were in place, it's just that all those force adept children who were found might not have had such bright choices.

Palpatine may have picked one or two to groom, but the thousands of others (each year) found to have high midichlorian counts, he probably would have just burnt alive, and their extended families too since their family line still pumping out Jedi/Sith strength babies, is a threat to him as Jedi or Sith.

 

[HIjol]

HIjol, his Midichlorian Sails Unfurled

Guy and HIjol at the Jedi Force Catcher

With Gatherers in Fulness, Ready

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

It's almost like George Lucas didn't think things out, and only chose ideas and concepts because he thought they sounded cool at the time.

 

[SPCTRE]

I don't think sex was forbidden. Compassion and attachment were forbidden. So you can have sex as long as its cold and emotionally distant.

So monogamy is ok...

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, MATRIMONY ZING

Come on, J_M, up top!

 

[Jedi_Master]

It's almost like George Lucas didn't think things out, and only chose ideas and concepts because he thought they sounded cool at the time.

Give this man a cookie!

I don't think sex was forbidden. Compassion and attachment were forbidden. So you can have sex as long as its cold and emotionally distant.

So monogamy is ok...

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, MATRIMONY ZING

Come on, J_M, up top!

Give this man a cookie factory!



I know you are all about the weird threads and odd comments Guy but in a galaxy that has trillions of beings, a Jedi Code that is not followed with any semblance of vigor, and a mystical energy field that can manipulate events to benefit "its" sense of balance there really is no reason to believe that just cause a group of people restrict one contributing factor to reproduction that Force-users could theoretically die out.