NASA may have accidentally created a warp field?

[BigJake]

Better to move on and find a way to get along better and NOT make those same mistakes again.

The way to get along better is to address present-day problems stemming from the history. Unfortunately, precisely the sort of thing that people who claim to want to "move on" from "pointing fingers" and "get along better" have no stomach for, because it involves assessing the history and its effects accurately and honestly, which of course is "complaining" in their world.

Make sure EVERYONE has fair access to a good (not as easy as you think) education and then ensure fairness in hiring practices, legal treatment etc...

Well, okay... that ought to be simple, right?

 

[Amaris]

Better to move on and find a way to get along better and NOT make those same mistakes again.

The way to get along better is to address present-day problems stemming from the history. Unfortunately, precisely the sort of thing that people who claim to want to "move on" from "pointing fingers" and "get along better" have no stomach for, because it involves assessing the history and its effects accurately and honestly, which of course is "complaining" in their world.

Make sure EVERYONE has fair access to a good (not as easy as you think) education and then ensure fairness in hiring practices, legal treatment etc...

Well, okay... that ought to be simple, right?

Exactly. It's kind of like saying "Thank you guys for building this massive city for me. I am not paying you, and I might make it hard for you to even live or get a job in the city you've built, and sure, I've cheated you out of years of your life and realize it will affect generations down the line, but hey, we all have a nice city to look at now, right?"

 

[Ithekro]

Considering how many generations ago some of that was, that "nice city" is falling apart by now.

Most, if not all of this was suppose to have been fixed between the late-1960s and early 1980s. What remains is mental block and images, not laws and official practices. Jim Crow is dead. They might not have buried him correctly though.

 

[BigJake]

Most, if not all of this was suppose to have been fixed between the late-1960s and early 1980s.

Well, except for the part where half the political establishment decided to devote forty-odd years to dismantling every Civil Rights achievement and every part of the Great Society and the New Deal they could reach.

 

[StarCruiser]

"Jim Crow" is dead - but there are still many outdated practices that remain commonplace in finance, business, the legal system etc...

No, it's not a simple thing to fix and also, those who think we should pay our way out of responsibility...how much? In some cases, you're talking 300+ years in slavery - generation after generation. First, brought over by the Spanish or Portuguese to work a plantation in the Caribbean - then that colony was taken by the English in a war in the early 1700's - then some were shipped up to say - the Carolinas in 1760ish and so on ans so forth...

Many generations and multiple nations having part of the blame.

Fixing the underlying issues that hold many minority families back would go much further than just giving someone a bag 'o money. Remember, it's not just the black community that is held down by some of these outdated ideas, it's also the Hispanic and Asian and Native American community.

We have to take responsibility for all of the issues that have been created over the last 500 or so years since ol' Chris Columbus "found" the new world.

 

[scotthm]

Let me get this straight: Are you saying Native Americans or black people have no reason to point fingers and blame white people for some of the shit that happened?

No one should be blamed for what their dead ancestors did to someone else's dead ancestors.

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[Ithekro]

It has been 150 years since the end of the American Civil War (as of last month). It has been long enough that I have ancestors that fought on both sides on that war, and one that had an unpleasent stay at Andersonville as a POW. This should have been buried a long time ago. The last veterans of that war died in the 1950s.

 

[Amaris]

Let me get this straight: Are you saying Native Americans or black people have no reason to point fingers and blame white people for some of the shit that happened?

No one should be blamed for what their dead ancestors did to someone else's dead ancestors.

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Except that what the dead ancestors did to the other dead ancestors is still rippling throughout our culture, and it has a profound effect on what's happening to black people who are very much alive.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Let me get this straight: Are you saying Native Americans or black people have no reason to point fingers and blame white people for some of the shit that happened?

No one should be blamed for what their dead ancestors did to someone else's dead ancestors.

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Except that what the dead ancestors did to the other dead ancestors is still rippling throughout our culture, and it has a profound effect on what's happening to black people who are very much alive.

Plus: It's not like racism is over and done with. Both systemic/institutional racism and individual racism still exist and are hurting these minorities in the US.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Besides that, it's not even about "blame." It's about taking responsibility for the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow, etc.

History doesn't belong just to the oppressed, it belongs to the oppressors, too. White Americans don't seem to view any of this as part of their history. It's regarded as "black history," not "white history." That has to change, too.

In any case, all available evidence shows that the best way to fight poverty is to simply give people money. Considering that many of the problems black Americans face come down to a lack of financial resources, it seems to me that giving them a bunch of money would be, if nothing else, a good start. I'm in favor of reparations, personally. That wouldn't do much to solve institutional or systemic racism, though--those need to be addressed, as well, and that can only begin by white Americans finally acknowledging that it's current reality and not something we got rid of decades ago.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTcSVQJ2h8g[/yt]

 

[scotthm]

I'm in favor of reparations, personally. That wouldn't do much to solve institutional or systemic racism, though

IMO, it would probably dramatically increase racial tensions in this country, unless it consisted solely of repatriating people to their ancestral lands.

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[Robert Maxwell]

I'm in favor of reparations, personally. That wouldn't do much to solve institutional or systemic racism, though

IMO, it would probably dramatically increase racial tensions in this country, unless it consisted solely of repatriating people to their ancestral lands.

So we'll send all white people back to Europe? Sounds good.

 

[scotthm]

So we'll send all white people back to Europe? Sounds good.

Only those that trade their citizenship for reparations.

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[Mary Ann]

Okay, folks, as interesting as this discussion is we've veered waaaaaaaay off topic, which wasn't a solid topic anyway. If we have nothing more to discuss based on the OP perhaps this thread should be put to rest.

 

[PurpleBuddha]

Okay, folks, as interesting as this discussion is we've veered waaaaaaaay off topic, which wasn't a solid topic anyway. If we have nothing more to discuss based on the OP perhaps this thread should be put to rest.

I am all in favor of closing this thread. I do think there is a legitimate topic here, but it is way past the point of salvage. I stopped positing in TNZ years ago because it is exhausting, and this thread reminds me of it.

I take some responsibility. I should have looked further at the original source I linked before posting and I believe this thread could have been productive. I would have linked directly to the spaceflight.com information and would have not included the word "warp" in the original title. While that is not a perfect source, it is the most direct one I can find.

At the end of the day there may be nothing at all to this EM drive, and I actually expect that will turn out to be the case. Still, it could be a worthy topic especially since it has now been tested in a vacuum. Perhaps there will be enough information for me to remake this post in a year or so.

 

[Mary Ann]

No worries, PurpleBuddha. { Emilia } had already mentioned several pages ago that this thread would probably face closure, so closed it will be. With luck there will be a legitimate thread about the creation, accidental or otherwise, of a warp field in the not-too-distant future.