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Narnia books without the Pevensie kids. Too risky to film?

Let's not forget that TL,TW&TW is a very popular book amongst the general public, and the others aren't.
Yeah, that's also part of it. Plenty of people just read the first one, and the first one tells a complete story with no larger series arc suggested; there's much less reason to come back, particularly when the sequels all have much lower name recognition.

As to sequels, even with decent overseas performance, I would think it's unlikely. They'll be glad to recover their costs and perhaps make a bit of money, but the franchise trajectory is straight down. The only way I could see them going forward is with a major shakeup (a la Trek XI), and that's a lot harder to do when you're adapting a series of books.
 
I found this interesting, I wish the website had a source....

Even though producers have suggested this is the last in C. S. Lewis' seven book series to be made into a moviehttp://www.cinemablend.com/new/Week...-Dawn-Treader-Sinking-In-Theaters-22171.html#, after a launch this bad the end of the film adaptations is as inevitable as British children at a Narnian battle.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Week...s-Dawn-Treader-Sinking-In-Theaters-22171.html

I don't actually understand the meaning of the quote as you wrote it. The quote as I read it is:

Producers have suggested this is the last in C. S. Lewis' seven book series to be made into a movie, and after a launch this bad the end of these fantasy film adaptations is as inevitable as British children at a Narnian battle.
 
Sorry, I just honestly didn't understand the meaning of the sentence when I read it. I thought there might be a typo, and that it was supposed to read "this isn't the last" rather than "this is the last", or something like that. But when I looked at the actual quote on the site, it makes sense. They're suggesting that the producers have already indicated that this'll be the last movie.
 
Odd that it's the number one movie of the weekend but is still being considered a dismal failure. Does that mean every other film is an even worse failure, or just that this film was hugely more expensive than the others and would thus have to be far more successful to recoup its cost?
 
Then again, this is Hollywood where the producers and directors stamp their own identities all over the work of another under the guise of "artistic" licence (for which read profitability). Who really gives a shit about the original author's intent?
Indeed. Just look at what happened to The Golden Compass.

The Golden Compass is a completely different scenario, because Chris Weiz actually wanted to be much truer to the story - and its message and intent - than he was actually able to be given the fact that so many Christian and religious organizations/groups raised a stink about the overtly anti-organized-religion overtones and sentiments expressed through the novel - and the His Dark Materials series - as represented by the Magisterium.
 
Odd that it's the number one movie of the weekend but is still being considered a dismal failure. Does that mean every other film is an even worse failure, or just that this film was hugely more expensive than the others and would thus have to be far more successful to recoup its cost?
The Tourist is doing worse, but as you guessed it is somewhat less expensive.

Other movies currently in the top ten, like Harry Potter and Megamind, have been out for multiple weeks. While they had lower box office numbers this week, they had much better numbers on their respective opening weekends; therefore they are not considered disappointments like Narnia is. Then there is Black Swan which has low numbers because it is in limited release on only a few screens. It is expected to get higher numbers when it expands to more theaters later.
 
Odd that it's the number one movie of the weekend but is still being considered a dismal failure. Does that mean every other film is an even worse failure, or just that this film was hugely more expensive than the others and would thus have to be far more successful to recoup its cost?

While it's Number one, the movie opened much lower than the other two previous entries. And for an action family film, I think they would have liked a much higher number.

Lion Witch and the Wardrobe opened with 65 million dollars...

So... yeah. Disappointment.
 
I dunno, I just find it strange and artificial that so much of a film's success these days rides on whether it does really hugely well in its first few days of release. When I was kid, movies were typically in theaters for months, even a year or more, before getting pulled. There was plenty of time for them to turn a profit. These days, a film has to do insanely well in its first 3-5 days or it's considered a failure, and that just seems an unrealistic standard to hold it to. Now, I understand that home video has changed things so that keeping a film in theaters for a year is no longer feasible, but still, it seems things have gone too far to the other extreme. Isn't there a comfortable middle ground somewhere?
 
That's on audiences; but if you don't go to see a movie within the first few weeks (assuming it gets a wide-release from the start), chances are you won't. Theatres act accordingly.
 
I dunno, I just find it strange and artificial that so much of a film's success these days rides on whether it does really hugely well in its first few days of release. When I was kid, movies were typically in theaters for months, even a year or more, before getting pulled. There was plenty of time for them to turn a profit. These days, a film has to do insanely well in its first 3-5 days or it's considered a failure, and that just seems an unrealistic standard to hold it to. Now, I understand that home video has changed things so that keeping a film in theaters for a year is no longer feasible, but still, it seems things have gone too far to the other extreme. Isn't there a comfortable middle ground somewhere?

Yes and 100 years ago there were no movies!

Things change, 50 years ago when you were a kid there were less movies, less TV channels, home movies were a sci-fi thing, no internet. Things change and you need to do well now or the theater will kick it out to make room for something that sells better.

If you keep 75% of the audience from first week to second you are doing well, so even if they did that they would only bring in $18 million next week. Sure some movies last for a few months like Avatar, this isn't Avatar or a super hero movie. It's a film franchise that should have only been one movie.
 
^^ Oh snap!

I saw this with the fam over the weekend and really enjoyed it. It would be a shame not to wrap it up with at least "The Final Battle" but then again, with such a sad ending, it may not play well. I would be against changing the ending to make it happy/feely...
 
Voyage of the Dawn Treader is actually a pretty decent fantasy film -- better than its predecessors. I'd certainly go see another installment of the film series ... but I won't be holding my breath. Subsequent books aside, it's interesting, though, that VotDT does seem to be a bit like the conclusion to a film trilogy -- with both Edmund and Lucy on the verge of growing up and no longer able to return to Narnia. So even if the film series doesn't continue, VotDT did a remarkable job of wrapping things up (while also keeping open the possibility for future films).
 
Things change, 50 years ago when you were a kid there were less movies, less TV channels, home movies were a sci-fi thing, no internet.

No need to be insulting. For your information, I'm 42 and I'm referring to the status quo as little as 25-30 years ago.

And your counterargument is too facile. I'm perfectly aware that things change, and I acknowledged as much. My point is that I'm not convinced that it's necessary for the change to have been taken to the extreme that it has been, this insistence on an all-or-nothing gamble on a film's first three days of release rather than basing expectations on its performance over a few weeks, say. Like I said, I'm looking for a healthy middle ground between the extremes.
 
I dunno, I just find it strange and artificial that so much of a film's success these days rides on whether it does really hugely well in its first few days of release. When I was kid, movies were typically in theaters for months, even a year or more, before getting pulled. There was plenty of time for them to turn a profit. These days, a film has to do insanely well in its first 3-5 days or it's considered a failure, and that just seems an unrealistic standard to hold it to. Now, I understand that home video has changed things so that keeping a film in theaters for a year is no longer feasible, but still, it seems things have gone too far to the other extreme. Isn't there a comfortable middle ground somewhere?

It maybe strange, but that's the nature of the movie business today.

How many movies cost 100 million dollars 30 years ago? Even adjusting for inflation?

How many things were competing for the entertainment dollars (sure, there was the Atari 2600, but... Playstation, Wii, Xbox, internet, computers)

Movies have become EVENT driven. You HAVE to see it opening weekend, you have to stand in line, you HAVE to be the first to see it--that's how it's being sold, that's the nature of the culture now.

Most movies face a decline from one week to the next, and if you have a 150 million dollar movie and if you lose 60 percent of your audience from one week to the next, it's tough. And I believe, contractually, studios take a greater percentage of the box office on the opening week, and each week the theater gets a greater and greater percentage. (I think that's true...)

So, yeah. It's not artificial. It's the current reality of the movie business. Things change.

EDITED TO ADD, as you were writing this while I was posting...

Things change, 50 years ago when you were a kid there were less movies, less TV channels, home movies were a sci-fi thing, no internet.

No need to be insulting. For your information, I'm 42 and I'm referring to the status quo as little as 25-30 years ago.

And your counterargument is too facile. I'm perfectly aware that things change, and I acknowledged as much. My point is that I'm not convinced that it's necessary for the change to have been taken to the extreme that it has been, this insistence on an all-or-nothing gamble on a film's first three days of release rather than basing expectations on its performance over a few weeks, say. Like I said, I'm looking for a healthy middle ground between the extremes.

But, even in 30 years things have changed DRAMATICALLY.

Now, I think we're mostly talking about Blockbuster movies. They really do depend on opening weekend. They are aimed at a younger, perhaps more distracted, audience.

Not as much for smaller films, more dramatic, aimed at an older crowd. Like The Kids Are Alright, that can take some time, an older crowd might not rush out, but the studio, or whoever is distributing the movies, know this, and are willing to let it stay in the theater longer. But those movies are MUCH cheaper to produce and have much lower box office expectations.
 
I dunno, I just find it strange and artificial that so much of a film's success these days rides on whether it does really hugely well in its first few days of release. When I was kid, movies were typically in theaters for months, even a year or more, before getting pulled. There was plenty of time for them to turn a profit. These days, a film has to do insanely well in its first 3-5 days or it's considered a failure, and that just seems an unrealistic standard to hold it to. Now, I understand that home video has changed things so that keeping a film in theaters for a year is no longer feasible, but still, it seems things have gone too far to the other extreme. Isn't there a comfortable middle ground somewhere?


Yeah, I know exactly what you mean, Christopher. I used to be excited when a movie would do really well. I remember when the first Jurassic Park was in the theatres for months. It never seemed to leave, and there was a certain kind of excitement related to that. Not every movie can be a huge success though. The time a movie gets released to video is a bit extreme. I liked waiting. Now if anything, people don't have to wait very long until they can buy it on video. I was just looking at a flyer the other day, and saw that Legends of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole was already slated for release this month. WTF? Didn't it just come to theatres last month? That's just a bit too extreme in terms of a release window. Actually, I see it came out in September, but that's still quite extreme. It's still in our theatres over here. Pretty soon, movies will be available on video the same month they're at the theatre if this keeps up.
 
It maybe strange, but that's the nature of the movie business today.

Yes, I know things have changed. I haven't been living in a damn cave. But surely people are permitted to look at the ways that things have changed and ask whether they really NEED to have changed in that specific way, even if it's just a philosophical musing. Haven't any of you ever looked at the way things are and wondered if there could be a better way?
 
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