(Responding to LightningStorm) The Enterprise-D had a shuttlepod Pike in "The Most Toys." There's a USS Christopher Pike in DC's Mirror Universe Saga and a USS Pike in the DS9 novel Objective: Bajor.
Names for future Vesta Class Starships
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IIRC, one of the Wolf 359 ships was going to be called Chekov, but someone thought it was "too cute" a reference. I must admit I would have been "They namedropped TOS!" instead of "Ohhh, so much death/Borgification"
I would be umable to take USS Kirk seriously. It would be like those Asguard ships in Statgate named after SG1 members that imevitably didn't last the episode. That said, the USS Hammond in the first SGU episode was a heartwarming reference.
I would be umable to take USS Kirk seriously. It would be like those Asguard ships in Statgate named after SG1 members that imevitably didn't last the episode. That said, the USS Hammond in the first SGU episode was a heartwarming reference.
Am I lame when I offer that I'd inevitably be looking for a shuttlecraft named the Gun, so I could thus say I'd found Chekov's Gun?
The USS George Hammond was actually first mentioned in the Atlantis series finale, but I think SGU's premiere was the first time we saw it onscreen.
I agree whole heartedly here. I would love to see the Federation start to become less Human centric, and I think this would be a great way to start that.
Actually, I just checked on MB, and the ship Spock commanded during DC's first TOS comics series was the USS Surak. Although there are two different entries, one for a Consitition class ship and one for an Oberth that appear to be describing this one ship.
The art for the USS Surak was always extremely iffy. IIRC for one issue it changed class entirely, but I can't remember what into. I'm sure it wasn't a connie.
I'd also like to see (read, whatever) Trek ships named for alien places, races and people. The Federarion is bigger then Earth (and Earth is bigger then America)
Page 37 of the FASA TNG manual has the most fanwanky Federation ship names of all-time. Ever. Get a load of:
USS Robert April NCC-6003, Decker-class Transwarp Destroyer.
There are as a many typo's as there are references, but there are ships named after Spock's son Zar, Nahrat (misspelled), the entire TOS crew (except Kirk), Samara (?) Uhura, Hieracho Nagura, John T. Esteban and even Sam Piper from Diane Carey's old novels.
I would love a USS Nahrat, crewed by Hortas.
I'd also like to see (read, whatever) Trek ships named for alien places, races and people. The Federarion is bigger then Earth (and Earth is bigger then America)
Page 37 of the FASA TNG manual has the most fanwanky Federation ship names of all-time. Ever. Get a load of:
USS Robert April NCC-6003, Decker-class Transwarp Destroyer.
There are as a many typo's as there are references, but there are ships named after Spock's son Zar, Nahrat (misspelled), the entire TOS crew (except Kirk), Samara (?) Uhura, Hieracho Nagura, John T. Esteban and even Sam Piper from Diane Carey's old novels.
I would love a USS Nahrat, crewed by Hortas.
Nope.
Atlantis is named after RV Atlantis, a two-masted sailing ship that operated as the primary research vessel for the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute from 1930 to 1966.
I didn't say warship, I just said ship.
Perhaps the SS Galaxy, of the same vintage as the SS Valiant, did some epicly famous discovering. First contact with a dozen races that are now members of the Federation?
Or something. I'm not trying to pin it down.
^Or perhaps it's simply not necessary to twist the facts and logic to justify the belief that every Starfleet vessel has to be named for some earlier ship! Why the hell even try? We already know there are Starfleet vessels named for rivers, so what's so horrible about accepting the idea that the Galaxy Class was named for the galaxy??
I think you're taking their speculations a bit more seriously than they're intended. We're all just kibbitzing, is all.
BTW, I'm just curious -- is there a ship named after Dag Hammarskjöld?
Actually one of them WAS the Chekov. I don't think we ever saw it clearly. Just a kitbash onscreen for a couple of seconds.
Yes, in Losing the Peace, the vessel was an Ambassador class and misspelled as Hamarskjold.
Yep, the Chekov NCC-57302, Springfield Class. In the TNG novel Vendetta, the Excelsior class USS Chekov was featured.
Yep, the Chekov NCC-57302, Springfield Class. In the TNG novel Vendetta, the Excelsior class USS Chekov was featured.
yeah, but is it named for Pavel or Anton?
USS RICHARD ROBAU
How has this not happened yet?
And earlier on I said I wouldn't be able to take a USS (James) Kirk seriously. A USS George Kirk would be a different matter. I'm sure George Prime would have done something of value (like help the Enterprise though it's secret-at-the-time maiden voyage)
How has this not happened yet?
And earlier on I said I wouldn't be able to take a USS (James) Kirk seriously. A USS George Kirk would be a different matter. I'm sure George Prime would have done something of value (like help the Enterprise though it's secret-at-the-time maiden voyage)
But the challenge was to explain the naming-theme of the class. Mine covers Odyssey, Yamato, and Enterprise, and only requires vague fiction for Galaxy.
Yours would seem to require that they be named things like USS Andromeda, USS Milky Way, and USS Pinwheel.
why is it hard to accept a USS James Kirk? he had a long and distinguished career, including several first contacts and several incidents defending the Federation from enemy forces.
According to Star Trek Online, there is a USS Kirk, a Nova class USS McCoy, and a USS Montgomery Scott.
Yeah, Kirk is theoretically a hero and deserving of ships (and planets - at least more so then Captain Archer was) named after him. However, it would just scream "Cheesy reference!" at me, bringing to mind Flying Leg Kicks, Unnecessary Combat Rolls, weird pauses, the Shatnerverse and all the other silliness rather then saving the world and all the serious stuff he did.
I don't recall any such challenge being issued. And the premise assumes a fact not in evidence, namely that there must be a "naming theme" in the first place. The canonical evidence is that most ship classes are not named according to any theme at all; and as those articles linked above show, there's real-life precedent for naval ship names not being constrained by class themes. So just because some ship classes follow naming themes, it doesn't automatically follow that every class must have one. And it's sloppy reasoning to twist and stretch the evidence in order to fit a hypothesis that conflicts with the evidence. You shape your hypotheses to fit the evidence; doing the reverse is cheating.
Yours would seem to require that they be named things like USS Andromeda, USS Milky Way, and USS Pinwheel.
No, because my hypothesis is that there is no naming theme at all.
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