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MYTHBUSTERS 6/22: "Let There Be Light"

Christopher

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Let There Be Light: I have to say, Adam's plan for determining how little light the human eye needed seemed overly elaborate and hazardous. A maze of champagne glasses? All that broken glass flying around? Seems risky, or at least needlessly difficult to clean up. Couldn't they have used something else to be knocked over, something that would make noise but not sustain (or potentially cause) damage?

The comparison of metal vs. glass mirrors was fascinating. An interesting point that too good a mirror actually reduces the ambient light because there's less diffusion. But I guess the difference was outweighed by the sheer brightness of the xenon spotlight in the second test. And it looked to me like enough of the light reflecting off the mirrors was spreading out beyond the mirrors -- i.e. the radius of the cone of light where it intersected the next mirror was larger than the radius of the mirror, so there was spillover -- and that would've created the necessary diffusion.

All in all, it's surprising how plausible the setup from The Mummy was. Sure, the actual lighting in the movie was far beyond reality, but that was for the audience's convenience; the basic premise, that sunlight and mirrors could light a tomb enough for people to see its contents clearly, was borne out. Imaigne something from The Mummy being plausible.

Well, except for the obvious fact that it only works for a couple of minutes at a time, in good weather, and depending on how the tomb is constructed, probably only at certain times of year or even times of day. And yeah, Adam had a good point that after 3000 years, the polish would've gone off the mirrors.

I loved the ending. I was wondering what this secret, special thing Jamie wanted to try was... and it was just using his legendary white shirt to scatter the light! And it worked fantastically well! All hail the shirt! The shirt is powerful! Cower before its mighty whiteness!


Bumper Cars: A pretty interesting one in concept. I've seen the "pull ahead and brake" technique used in TV to stop runaway cars going downhill, for instance. Interesting to see it tested for real, though they didn't try it downhill.

It's surprising how effective the technique was, at least on a big empty runway. On a freeway with other occupied lanes of traffic, that sideways swerving on the jammed-accelerator test would mean certain doom. And of course it requires some degree of stunt-driving training.

That "PIT" maneuver (I'm assuming it's an acronym) is one I recall them doing before, and it's intriguing and scary how easy it is to put a car into a spin. And it underlines the fakery of Hollywood action scenes, since in movies and TV, people trying to run other cars off the road always come up right alongside them and push against their center of mass, which obviously isn't going to do that much, and is done partly to be safe and partly to prolong the action scene.

This is one of those myths where it's maybe too plausible, so they run out of tests too soon and have to make up a contrived build-off challenge to pad it out. (I miss the days when they would often do three myths per episode -- less padding.) Although the results were unexpected. Grant's rig was straightforward enough, but I never expected Tory's harpoon thingy to work. I thought it'd just rip off the trunk lid, or tear through it.


I liked the parody of "season finale" promos in the ad for next week's episode (at about :51 in) -- "Who will survive?" Although it's disappointing that the season finale is coming so soon.
 
"PIT Maneuver" is, indeed, an acronym for "Pursuit Intervention Technique."

Interesting episode, I've got nothing major to really say about it other than wondering how a car can stop one with the accelerator pedal being pressed seemed to me that car would always want to push forward and the "stopping car" would have to do twice the work to stop the car and hold it there until the accelerator could be released.

I wondered why they didn't try the cars with cruise-control engaged, though obviously the cruise-control would deactivate once the car was slowed under the cruise's activation threshold (usually around 30 miles an hour.)

I was impressed with how well Tori's harpoon technique worked and really could see that being used in some capacity on police cars (as an extendable apparatus) in pursuit situations, Grant's solution seemed to unwieldy, dangerous, and would require too much coordination with the other car.

The tomb myth was fun but they really should have stuck with the polished copper/metal mirrors given that glass mirrors didn't exist in ancient times when tombs were being built, that the Earth's movement relative to the sun would impact the ability of the mirrors to reflect the light seemed obvious to me and it's no surprise the light would change so fast given the sun moves through the sky at something like 1000 miles an hour. It'd be interesting if in a revisit Jamie and Adam tried inventing a modern mechanism that'd track the sun and move the mirror(s) accordingly to keep the room lit or to use the white-shirt diffusion technique combined with the mirrors to get the most possible light in a room.

Fun little episode with two fun things to test.

liked the parody of "season finale" promos in the ad for next week's episode (at about :51 in) -- "Who will survive?" Although it's disappointing that the season finale is coming so soon.

If memory serves Mythbusters is on and off all year and it's probably just their half-season finale, I'd expect new episodes to start up again this Fall.
 
Interesting episode, I've got nothing major to really say about it other than wondering how a car can stop one with the accelerator pedal being pressed seemed to me that car would always want to push forward and the "stopping car" would have to do twice the work to stop the car and hold it there until the accelerator could be released.

It certainly looked to me as if the car in front was working very hard to stop the one behind it. Tori said he had both feet on the brake. But yeah, presumably Kari released the brake pedal once the cars stopped, and in the hypothetical scenario it would be harder to keep it stopped.


I was impressed with how well Tori's harpoon technique worked and really could see that being used in some capacity on police cars (as an extendable apparatus) in pursuit situations

Of course, the Batmobile already has one...


The tomb myth was fun but they really should have stuck with the polished copper/metal mirrors given that glass mirrors didn't exist in ancient times when tombs were being built...

But it's standard Mythbuster practice to replicate the result as well as the premise.

And they explained why they couldn't use metal mirrors in the full-scale test -- they just couldn't get enough reflections of the beam for it to even be testable. Which I guess counts as busting the myth as proposed.
 
Well, except for the obvious fact that it only works for a couple of minutes at a time, in good weather
Yeah, ancient Egypt wasn't known for its bright, sunny days or slave labor that could man the mirrors. Nope. Or that in modern times, an intern/assistant/hired help couldn't be asked to man the mirrors, and no one would ever conceive of giving them a quick polishing if, for whatever reason, they really needed to get the job done.

The thing I loathe about this show is that they always assume that 1) people give up after a couple of tries of doing anything and 2) if they can't do it with two-three people, it's not "plausible."
 
The thing I got was that all of the mirrors would have to be constantly moved to maintain an acceptable level of light which just isn't all that practical even with slaves constantly doing the moving whom also probably weren't know for having a great grasp on geometry, reflection or even "how mirrors work."

And this was more of a "movie myth" from one certain scene in the movie "The Mummy" and, IIRC, in that movie Evie simply angles the mirror in the right fashion, the room lights up pretty much instantly and it stays that way for the remainder of the movie -this test showing the light would fall out of alignment within minutes.

So while "it works" it's not very practical even if you had slaves to work on keeping the whole thing working. I do suspect that a modern-day system using computers or machines to track the sun and keep all of the mirrors in line would be an interesting apparatus.
 
The thing I got was that all of the mirrors would have to be constantly moved to maintain an acceptable level of light which just isn't all that practical even with slaves constantly doing the moving whom also probably weren't know for having a great grasp on geometry, reflection or even "how mirrors work."
Yeah, and ancient man was too stupid to do things like build pyramids or erect things like Stonehenge or the statues on Easter Island, too. Determination + manpower > two guys in a workshop getting paid whether they succeed or fail.

I'm not arguing whether it's a practical approach to take compared to alternatives, but dismissing it (and other myths like they have many, many times) for reasons such as "derp, someone would actually have to pay attention" and "derp, we couldn't make it work after a few hours, so it's obviously impossible for ancient man to have done it" is bullshit.
 
Yeah, and ancient man was too stupid to do things like build pyramids or erect things like Stonehenge or the statues on Easter Island, too. Determination + manpower > two guys in a workshop getting paid whether they succeed or fail.

Did I say anything to negate the accomplishments made by ancient man?

Anything at all?

Nope?

Okay, good.

Building huge structures like the pyramids, carving the Easter Island statues or "somehow" moving around giant boulders at Stonehenge is worlds different than what it would have taken to light a room using mirrors in this fashion. If memory serves the pyramids took decades to build, the Easter Island statues are just simple carvings that could've been done by ancient men over years or a lifetime, Stonehenge well, I'm not entirely sure how they pulled that off but, again, some system of slave and animal labor combined with ropes and creative engineering would have pulled that off.

All of that is vastly different than coordinating multiple men across a large area, most of which is inside of a room with no easy communication with the outside, to track the sun in a way to make this system practical.

All of the other feats mankind accomplished in the ancient past could be pulled of with manpower, ingenuity and time but it's not practical to have used a dozen or so slaves to move some mirrors around every few minutes to track the sun in order to light a room when it could probably be more easily lit with a far more powerful discovery by man:

Fire!

Why have several people manipulating mirrors to track a sunbeam every couple of minutes when you can just light some torches and probably get a much brighter and more consistent light? I'm not saying it's impossible for this mirror system to work, it obviously is possible, just that it's impractical over other systems (fire) and a waste of manpower (I'm sure there were many better things for slaves to do rather than dicking around with some mirrors.)
 
Actually, this ep kinda bored me. It's rare, but I didn't find either myth interesting.
 
...the Easter Island statues are just simple carvings that could've been done by ancient men over years or a lifetime, Stonehenge well, I'm not entirely sure how they pulled that off but, again, some system of slave and animal labor combined with ropes and creative engineering would have pulled that off.
Maybe you're being rhetorical here, but the mystery of the Moai on Rapa Nui/Easter Island hasn't ever been about how they were made, it was about how these huge stones could be moved from the quarry at one end of the island to another, raised atop a platform, and huge topknot of a different kind of stone placed on top.
 
...the Easter Island statues are just simple carvings that could've been done by ancient men over years or a lifetime, Stonehenge well, I'm not entirely sure how they pulled that off but, again, some system of slave and animal labor combined with ropes and creative engineering would have pulled that off.
Maybe you're being rhetorical here, but the mystery of the Moai on Rapa Nui/Easter Island hasn't ever been about how they were made, it was about how these huge stones could be moved from the quarry at one end of the island to another, raised atop a platform, and huge topknot of a different kind of stone placed on top.

Again, animals, rope and a few dozen men can do wonderful things. It's still a lot different an idea to use slaves to hard, manual, labor which is in some respects practical as opposed to have them tracking the sun with mirrors endlessly all day long.
 
Again, animals, rope and a few dozen men can do wonderful things. It's still a lot different an idea to use slaves to hard, manual, labor which is in some respects practical as opposed to have them tracking the sun with mirrors endlessly all day long.
Yeah, it's super hard. Which is why two mildly intelligent guys picked it up in seconds on the show, with their only motivation being a paycheck as opposed to, say, a severe lashing or worse.
 
Jamie and Adam have proven time and time again over the course of the few years they're a bit past "mildly intelligent" and furthermore they've the benefit of a few millennia of advancement in math in science through which to make the job easier. I'm guessing your average crica 2400 BCE Egyptian slave didn't have the greatest grasp on geometry.

I'm also sure you realize the "few seconds" you see on the show probably equates to hours of production time.
 
You keep thinking that.

Me, I'll put my faith in the people who built massive stone pyramids with nearly perfect geometry, orchestrating thousands upon thousands of people in the process, all with a complete absence of modern technology or science. Feel free to put yours in with two clowns who give up trying to do anything after a few shoddy attempts and who rely on a multitude of people behind the scenes to do all the real thinking and researching for them.

And for the record, as someone who has played around with this sort of thing, it is not a difficult task. Tedious, yes. Difficult, not even remotely.
 
A parabolic mirror as primary would have allowed it to work longer before having to move it. Whether ancient Egyptians could make a parabolic mirror is another questions. They were pretty good with geometry...
 
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