My theory/question on Right Wing racism?

[Jayson1]

I don't know if this is true but it is something I thought about and wanted to hear what everyone thinks. I think one reason why they might fear diversity and you see stuff like "white genocide" posts is not always from the idea that they are superior but the idea that people are all the same and that means other types of people are capable of being just as bad as they have been over the years when treating people who are different.
America has spent it's entire exsitence by stomping on the rights and doing even worst things to everyone from Indians,blacks,woman and Mexicans. Even being white isn't good enough for some of them when you look at how the Irish,Catholics and Jews have been treated. This has all been done from a position of power.
It makes sense that if your a racist and you feel like your loosing that power that means history can continue to repeat itself with the same old abuse but now you open yourself up to being the next victim of American Imperlism. Basically they don't think equality is possible so they don't even want to try and do the right thing and try for that kind of world but instead fight to try and maintain the status quo out of fear.

Jason

 

[Velocity]

Hard to follow your narrative, but are you saying that everyone has been treated unfairly at one time or another? Yeah, probably.

 

[Jayson1]

Hard to follow your narrative, but are you saying that everyone has been treated unfairly at one time or another? Yeah, probably.

I think that is it. Basically that fear more than anything tends to drive hatred and their is a lot to fear when it comes to human beings because our history is filled with proof that people with power tend to abuse it. I think some people see power as mean of protection because they so distrust others they feel the need to control them and while I type this I just noticed I just kind of took the Changlins idea of creating the Dominion on "DS9" and used it. Like the Changlins who were hunted I wonder if the fact that America was founded partly to get away from British control and that is still part of that mindset.

Jason

 

[Refuge]

If fear of being made less drives bias and abuse of power takes it to a more destructive level, then is it unique to Right Wing philosophies? Isn't that a (sadly)human condition that transcends one ideology?

 

[urbandefault]

Does your basement have a window?

 

[Refuge]

Hard to follow your narrative, but are you saying that everyone has been treated unfairly at one time or another? Yeah, probably.

I think he is saying (correct me if I'm wrong Jayson) that the current status quo - say Right Wing whites, are biased because if they let another group, any group, take power, then they, (the established group), become the downtrodden.

 

[Jayson1]

I think he is saying (correct me if I'm wrong Jayson) that the current status quo - say Right Wing whites, are biased because if they let another group, any group, take power, then they, (the established group), become the downtrodden.

Yep that is what I am saying. I don't think they feel like a truly equal society can be created by humans, which explains their concepts on making money as well, were they feel the government has no place in helping people or how some Christians feel like everyone is after them.
Jason

 

[Refuge]

Let me add another thought (not original probably) to the mix. I have a theory that some racism is born from finding validation in the 'collective'. If we are all the same then it means we are safe, we are an example of the 'standard'. If someone is different it challenges that. So at its worse level feuds, wars, develop. At a lesser level we turn on the differences within the collective. You're atheist, well I'm not. You're male, well I'm not. You have brown eyes, mine are not. You're this age, well I'm this other one. Star Trek and even Bewitched explored themes of aliens with different colors dividing their faces or in Bewitched's case I think one little girl had black spots on a fair skin and the other had white spots contrasting her complexion. Seems almost clumsy seeing those stories these days but they were quite adventurous in their day.

 

[Jayson1]

If fear of being made less drives bias and abuse of power takes it to a more destructive level, then is it unique to Right Wing philosophies? Isn't that a (sadly)human condition that transcends one ideology?

I think hatred transcends ideology but not discrimination. You can only discriminate if you have any kind of power. Plus conservative beliefs seem to lean towards strong authority figures were liberals seem to prefer groups of people working together to solve problems. I think the liberal way helps lend itself to less racism/hatred though it doesn't completely end it because everyone is individual and that means someone in that group will most likely have a opinion that will piss of someone else in that group even if they tend to agree on most issues. You can sort of see that in how much conflict we had with Clinton vs Sanders supporters. Trump though can shit all over someone like Ted Cruz and in the end Cruz still will back him no matter what he does.

Jason

 

[Jayson1]

Does your basement have a window?

I'm not sure what that means so I will hope it is a nice thing.

Jason

 

[Refuge]

Don't know.. I always thought one can discriminate based on just a difference. Power and being in power (can) create action.

As for group dynamics? That is another can of worms..

 

[Jayson1]

Don't know.. I always thought one can discriminate based on just a difference. Power and being in power (can) create action.

As for group dynamics? That is another can of worms..

My take is that for discrimination to happen someone has to take a active role in trying to hurt someone else or a passive role of letting someone else hurt someone else. Just having mean thoughs about people I don't think that counts. That sounds more like bigotry.
I might be wrong but where the 2 sides part on this issue is we liberals believe in things like instititutional racism were the system is set up to create discrimination to point where you can even be a good person who isn't a bigot but still be part of the problem. Republicans seem to have a more black and white view on the issue and less of a shade of grey. The system is fine but it's certain individuals who are the problem and if you could just get ride of them evrything would be fine. How you can do this when it's never really possible to know what is inside a persons heart or mind I am unsure. Seems kind of flimsy to judge people's very souls on the words they say when people's emotions and views can constantly change and most people like me sometimes have problems trying to articulate what they want to say or how you feel.

Jason

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I think we already have enough right wing versus left wing conflict threads running at the moment. This one is built on a pretty thin premise that is already being sort of discussed in the other thread about right wing cultures in Trek, so I'm closing this one down.