My Ship chart.....

[SicOne]

Thanks much, jep316; thought Ex A but wasn't sure.

 

[therealfoxbat]

Been a while, but I'm back...

Foxbat, your math makes a lot of sense to me.

I think what may throw a wrench in the works for the overall length is that the saucer is pushed back in relation to the secondary hull. The neck connects to the saucer at about the same spot as it always has but it's pushed back on the secondary hull (or the secondary hull is pushed forward, if you want to look at it that way). I think that would give you the same overall ship with a shorter total length.

The arrangement of the saucer hull wouldn't really matter, since I was comparing the total length (in pixels) to what is supposed to be the height of one and/or two Standard Decks...

Unfortunately, Fox, you're placing the bridge too high on the new ship--it's not inside the structure we usually think of as the bridge dome any more, but in the flat, pancake-like level underneath. The window on that part of the hull for the bridge viewscreen is 26' wide inside the frame on the interior set, and ~29' wide around the frame on the exterior, when the ship is scaled to the official length of 700 meters--there's just no way it would work on an under-300 meter ship. Plus there's visual evidence in the film that the shuttlebay is large enough to fit the new huge shuttlecraft stacked three high, and that the same shuttlecraft are little bigger than the (now much larger) phaser embankments on the saucer.

There's been an ongoing discussion (or argument, really) in the Trek XI forum on the subject. Check out posts by DiSiLLUSiON midway through the thread--he puts forward a very thorough argument for a 700 meter Enterprise. That's also is also the official size put out by Paramount, and the upcoming 1/2500th scale model kit is going to be 12" long, which gives us a 2500-foot ship. Heck, even Bernd over at Ex-Astris, who has been very hostile to the larger size, has finally conceded the point--though he's still refusing to use the official measurements on his site.

It might also be worth looking at the comments on the DrexFiles post on the subjct, as well. A lot of the forum regulars chimed in over there. (Note that the chart in the post got the size of the Battlestar Galactica wrong.)

It turns out my my math was correct, but my original premise was not. I went into this on the premise that this movie was a prequel to the original series and this ship design was the original configuration of the Constitution class which was later refitted to the TOS version. If all that was true, then the figures I came up with would have to be correct. However, during the time I was effectively without internet, I took the opportunity to see this movie quite a few times. The more I saw, the more I noticed the mounting evidence that this design is considerably larger than the TOS version, and therefore the movie is a separate timeline from the word Go...

I still plan on using the same mathemtical tools I did before. So, to get an accurate estimate of the ship's size, the first question that needs to be answered is...

How many decks high is the rim of the saucer hull?

Since the rim of the saucer hull has two rows of windows, the obvious first guess was two. (In both the TOS and TMP versions, the answer was two.) The results I came up with would be correct if the answer was two. Unfortunately, the movie contains a buttload of evidence that the answer is some number greater than two...

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Jep, saying it yet again: GREAT WORK!

Where did you FIND some of these? I recognize Masao's stuff, and some stuff that I vaguely recall seeing something close to, but some of them are just flat new! I know you made some of them yourself...you should really put up multi's of everything!

 

[jep316]

I updated the chart with the Nu Enterprise upsized to 366m..which apparently was the original size(and maybe still is)of the CGI model....I'm leaving it at that...plus I also added the Voyager with ablative armor...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11037457@N08/3655875198/sizes/o/

Jep, saying it yet again: GREAT WORK!

Where did you FIND some of these? I recognize Masao's stuff, and some stuff that I vaguely recall seeing something close to, but some of them are just flat new! I know you made some of them yourself...you should really put up multi's of everything!

Thanks...I found them all over the net plus as you said I made a lot..which isn't hard when most of the Fed ships just take the parts of the Connie and move them around..as for multi views..that would be just to much of a undertaking...and I just don't have it in me to try.

 

[Kaiser]

I updated the chart with the Nu Enterprise upsized to 366m..which apparently was the original size(and maybe still is)of the CGI model....I'm leaving it at that...plus I also added the Voyager with ablative armor...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11037457@N08/3655875198/sizes/o/

Jep, saying it yet again: GREAT WORK!

Where did you FIND some of these? I recognize Masao's stuff, and some stuff that I vaguely recall seeing something close to, but some of them are just flat new! I know you made some of them yourself...you should really put up multi's of everything!

Thanks...I found them all over the net plus as you said I made a lot..which isn't hard when most of the Fed ships just take the parts of the Connie and move them around..as for multi views..that would be just to much of a undertaking...and I just don't have it in me to try.

Awesome the Romulan C-10 from DC Comics Trek

and I love your Mustang class

its like a Soyuz but more Bad-ass looking

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

I'd like it if you could also add the new Enterprise in at it's official size of ~700m. (Or have I missed it?) Thank you!

 

[sojourner]

"Official" hasn't been decided yet in this thread. You can find it at 366 meters on the chart around the upper third on the left side.

 

[jep316]

Ok just for the heck of it here's the chart with the 700m Nu Enterprise...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11037457@N08/3658870746/sizes/o/


Maybe seeing it with the other ships will show how it just doesn't look right(atleast to me).

 

[Gepard]

^Stick it over by the Sovereign-class and it'll look fine.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

"Official" hasn't been decided yet in this thread. You can find it at 366 meters on the chart around the upper third on the left side.

Ok. Just seemed a bit strange to include the smaller estimate, but not the larger one.

Ok just for the heck of it here's the chart with the 700m Nu Enterprise...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11037457@N08/3658870746/sizes/o/


Maybe seeing it with the other ships will show how it just doesn't look right(atleast to me).

Thank you, I had wondered if it would've made a difference, but it looks just about right, if you ask me.