I stopped watching 2 weeks ago. Sadly I watched S1&S2 in a 3 week span to get caught up on this show so many had raved about. I wish I had those 3 weeks back now.
My problem with HEROES
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My problems with Heroes now is that in Season 1 we had well crafted, exciting characters in a well plotted story.
Now, we have retarded characters flopping around at the whims of a retarded plot where nothing actually happens.
Now, we have retarded characters flopping around at the whims of a retarded plot where nothing actually happens.
I don't know that this show is difficult to follow; it's fairly straight foward in fact. I just think it's sloppy. Trying to pick it apart for clever foreshadowing and clues may make it seem difficult, simply because they aren't there.
However, through aggressive retconning, we are now meant to believe that there is some order and foresight in this show. And some of it, I admit, like the clues I'm hearing about Sylar in earlier seasons, make some degree of sense. But there are so many other hanging plot lines, disappearing characters, dead ends, false clues, changes in direction, changes in character motivation, nonsensical decisions, inexplicable alliances, and catering to fans' whims, that it is a fool's errand to try to make anything we see on the screen - outside of the explicitly stated - into a subtle key to something else. The show's just not well constructed enough to pull it off. Or even cares to. For example, I'm willing to bet that the big splashy "Nathan finds god" business will come of nothing and quietly go away. Like the entire city of New Orleans and all the characters who lived there did. Or Caitlin. Or Maya. Or ...
However, through aggressive retconning, we are now meant to believe that there is some order and foresight in this show. And some of it, I admit, like the clues I'm hearing about Sylar in earlier seasons, make some degree of sense. But there are so many other hanging plot lines, disappearing characters, dead ends, false clues, changes in direction, changes in character motivation, nonsensical decisions, inexplicable alliances, and catering to fans' whims, that it is a fool's errand to try to make anything we see on the screen - outside of the explicitly stated - into a subtle key to something else. The show's just not well constructed enough to pull it off. Or even cares to. For example, I'm willing to bet that the big splashy "Nathan finds god" business will come of nothing and quietly go away. Like the entire city of New Orleans and all the characters who lived there did. Or Caitlin. Or Maya. Or ...
So, Maya is gone? What did Mohinder devour her?
... which would have been an awesome television moment. No, alas, we watched Maya cross the Americas for a huge portion of every episode last season to ... simply walk off stage left.
...like Monica....and West etc.
The show to me is similar to Marvel Comics Infinity Gauntlet story.
HEROES S1=Infinity Gauntlet
HEROES S2=Infinity War
HEROES S3=Infinity Crusade
I can only pray we don't get Infinity Abyss.
Marvel kept mining the same concept after Infinity Gauntlet proved so popular. Tim Kring did the same thing by recycling his plots for S2 & S3 to the point its not fun and is seen as a watered down version each time of the original.
The show to me is similar to Marvel Comics Infinity Gauntlet story.
HEROES S1=Infinity Gauntlet
HEROES S2=Infinity War
HEROES S3=Infinity Crusade
I can only pray we don't get Infinity Abyss.
Marvel kept mining the same concept after Infinity Gauntlet proved so popular. Tim Kring did the same thing by recycling his plots for S2 & S3 to the point its not fun and is seen as a watered down version each time of the original.
^^^
Monica? They must have done that in one of the last few shows since I gave up on it. I guess they considered that closure? More than some characters have gotten.
Monica? They must have done that in one of the last few shows since I gave up on it. I guess they considered that closure? More than some characters have gotten.
No, he means Maya. Monica hasn't been seen since the end of season two.
Let's see here Hiro went into the future twice in the first season and made changes by returing to the past, he made one trip to save the waitress and failed. But if he went back and removed part of the formula from the safe before he opened in the past then Arthur wouldn't have his half of it. Even future Peter altered the past just by going back in the first place. Plus we've had both Peter and Hiro going to the future and seeing a city destroyed or emptied, the only way around that is take away their power, if only for a short time.
One problem some might see with season 3, too many twists. For example Sylar actually being a Petrelli.
The last episode did show somethings from season 1, which if show in season 1 would have wrecked this season, like Arthur's plan.
I have a feeling Hermiod won't like what is coming, as there is a two parter episode the week after next.
The last episode did show somethings from season 1, which if show in season 1 would have wrecked this season, like Arthur's plan.
I have a feeling Hermiod won't like what is coming, as there is a two parter episode the week after next.
This is the primary reason why I haven't been able to get into the show. I like shows that have solid, tight-knit cast chemistry. Heroes just has too many disparate character groups and a few characters that I just can't bring myself to care about at all. (I never warmed up to Mohinder or to Nikki/Jessica.) On the other hand, if they made a show that was just Hiro & Ando or just the Petrellis, I might be more inclined to watch.
I'm still getting over FuturePeter, with more power than anyone, deciding that Nathan must be stopped from revealing his secret.
So he goes back in time with a gun and shoots him. What's wrong with a phone call? With teleporting Nathan? With just not being such a dumbass?
Giving a character time-travel powers means the writing needs to be great. It has not been great for a while. I don't know why they can't come up with rules for how time travel works, and Hiro's dithering about going into the past is tired and pathetic, now.
I'm trying to break free now, rather than just be more and more disappointed.
And then, to top it all off, once FuturePeter changes history, he's shocked, SHOCKED to find things different.
I think a big problem is they brought in comic book writers to "fix" the problems and anyone who has read comics for any length of time knows that's the worst mistake you can make.
Any comic book writer worth reading knows how to keep a story short, keep it well written and not throw too many twists or convoluted plots in the way to wring out an extra few issues. That's exactly what failed to happen here. I can keep up with all the plot twists and surprises but it's gone to soap opera length ridiculousness.
At one time, Loeb and the other guy (forget the name) might have been excellent comic writers but I think seeing seasons 2 and 3 of Heroes showed that time has passed and there's no Hiro to go back and fix it.
The best concept was the original; showcase new heroes every season. Make no one invulnerable or safe. Claire shouldn't have been made basically immortal either. Hiro should have had consequences to time-traveling. Peter should have also had some kind of side-effect from absorbing so many powers.
Instead they made them essentially immortal, limitless, invulnerable (literally in Claire's case) where nothing and no one can harm them except the now even more unstoppable Pa Petrelli. And he's the villian so how will they stop him? By creating an even more powerful, more implausible and more yawn-inducing super-powered hero. That's why when they redo Superman every few decades they drop his powers back to restrict him from being limitless.
Any comic book writer worth reading knows how to keep a story short, keep it well written and not throw too many twists or convoluted plots in the way to wring out an extra few issues. That's exactly what failed to happen here. I can keep up with all the plot twists and surprises but it's gone to soap opera length ridiculousness.
At one time, Loeb and the other guy (forget the name) might have been excellent comic writers but I think seeing seasons 2 and 3 of Heroes showed that time has passed and there's no Hiro to go back and fix it.
The best concept was the original; showcase new heroes every season. Make no one invulnerable or safe. Claire shouldn't have been made basically immortal either. Hiro should have had consequences to time-traveling. Peter should have also had some kind of side-effect from absorbing so many powers.
Instead they made them essentially immortal, limitless, invulnerable (literally in Claire's case) where nothing and no one can harm them except the now even more unstoppable Pa Petrelli. And he's the villian so how will they stop him? By creating an even more powerful, more implausible and more yawn-inducing super-powered hero. That's why when they redo Superman every few decades they drop his powers back to restrict him from being limitless.
The problem with Heroes is that it didn't have the canastas to stick with the original concept. What made Season 1 so great to me was the idea of ordinary people struggling with the workaday world and then their lives were turned upside down with the amazing abilities they inherited. By season's end, it could have gone in two directions: Go the original route and restart the next season with new workaday types discovering new abilities, or, since they were already ripping off Rising Stars, go all out and get the Season 1 cast in costumes and give them codenames. But instead, they took the third option and made it a star driven vehicle with characters who act and react according to plot. Plus, the show is stuck in neutral with that emo "woe is me I have powers that make me different" schtick that got old long time ago. I'd love this show to be a real life Incredibles. Could they hire Brad Bird as showrunner?
My problem is that it's just a messy, messy show that has a TON of characters that I don't care about. At all.
That's exactly my problem with it too. It felt like season one kinda stumbled over the finishing line after blowing its load in the first 8 episodes. Season two I watched in one sitting, and I still felt like they were moving the story on far too slowly. The only new character I actually liked was Monica and she suspiciously went AWOL.
I see the inevitable Lost/Heroes comparison has been brought up here. While I've also gave up on Lost after the season 3 finale, I'm definitely going to catch up at some point. I can't say the same for Heroes, I'm afraid
I do have a question though - did or did not Payter O'Patrelli leave the supposed 'Irish' Caitlin in the never-gonna-happen future in season two? That's been driving me mad since I watched it
My problem with Heroes is that has got to be one of the most poorly acted, poorly written shows in prime time. It's like an afternoon soap with superpowers. I never made it past mid-Season One when the lack of charisma and character-building in the cast along with the atrocious dialogue sapped what little interest the contrived cliffhangers had managed to create.
