That's because we aren't going anywhere! (Ba-dum-bum!)
My own take on Janeway in Before Dishonor (spoilers)
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That's because we aren't going anywhere! (Ba-dum-bum!)
God, just thinking of NCLB sets my teeth on edge...
Worf: "I am suddenly craving the blood of a live kohlar beast..."
Data: "And have you noticed how your boobs have firmed up? Not that we care about such things in this day and age..."
Okay, guys, as much fun as it is to bash Bush's education "plan," let's get back on topic. 
Oh...right...the topic.
I'll be retreading some well-worn ground, but I think this book was a horrible place to take Janeway out, regardless of the length of the "out".
On the whole, I was just disappointed with BD and Resistance. And that's sad, because I had actually been looking forward to the latter after reading the little excerpt.
I'll be retreading some well-worn ground, but I think this book was a horrible place to take Janeway out, regardless of the length of the "out".
On the whole, I was just disappointed with BD and Resistance. And that's sad, because I had actually been looking forward to the latter after reading the little excerpt.
There's a topic?
Apparently so. The mods wouldn't lie, would they?
Yes -- and this is why I am skeptical of attempts to indict the entire United States, even when the electorate makes decisions that are patently absurd. I question how successful the United States education system has been at equipping the populace with the essential elements required to ask questions, challenge things that seem wrong, and form their own investigative strategies. In my view, a very large percentage of the populace has been so drastically ill-served by their educations that they literally do not know how to be independent thinkers, politically-speaking, and therefore are far more susceptible to propaganda than they ought to be. I'm far more comfortable indicting certain elements of American society than the entire polity.
^^Well said. I would add that most people are born with "the essential elements required to ask questions, challenge things that seem wrong, and form their own investigative strategies." That's what young children do all the time. But the American educational system is more or less consciously designed to destroy those capabilities in favor of the passive absorption of factoids to be regurgitated at exam time and then forgotten.
As a Brit, I have to add that our own education system is suffering from "Stupid Guy That Leads Us" syndrome but we don't have any possibility of somone better coming along because they're all stupid and misguided.
Back on topic, I don't think that Janeway should have been killed off. We all seem to be blaming PAD for his writing of the event, but it was an editorial decision. Yes, I am aware that it was a setup for Destiny, but I still think that the entire Borg miniseries arc, and by extension Janeway's death, for the TNGR is a bad idea. A cut scene from Nemesis has the E-E going back to the Deneb(?) system - this I feel would have been better served for the TNGR, for Picard et al to go and do some exploring.
I can only hope that post-Destiny, that is what will happen.
All the explorations that could have been done over the course of those two books... *shakes head*
There's plenty of exploration in Greater Than the Sum. It may not be exploration purely for its own sake, but it's definitely exploration.
For that matter, the E-E is on an exploration mission in Q & A.
Just what I like to hear.
There was a period where they just weren't putting them out that often and so I fell out of the habit of reading them I guess. If the quality is better than the latest batch of TNG books though I may take a look.
The quality is definitely better than Before Dishonor and Resistance
Like I said further up, I very much enjoyed all the TOS books that have been released, esp. The Empty Chair.
You could not be more correct. For unknown reasons, the writers seem to go on short benders and create cruel characters that have no connection to captains we have come to know over the years. Bizarre!
I have grown up with Star Trek and love every series and movie. I have watched Voyager only recently and I have grown to really love it. Janeway is definitely overconfident but this fits with every Star Trek captain. Can anyone honestly say that Kirk was not overconfident? Janeway is more that just a Starfleet clone as well. A regulation-spouting clone would not have destroyed the array and would never have embraced maqui outlaws and borg drones as crewmembers and friends. I am upset at the way Janeway's death was handled - that it was meaningless and that it was in TNG novel. Random final thought regarding Voyager's romantic relationships - Kes and Nelix?? Chakotay and Seven?? Janeway as Ice Maiden?
Because many high level execs can do bizarre things every now and then. I've worked in numerous schools, and seen highly-paid principals make grave errors of judgement. Of course, no one necessarily realises how it will turn out at the time.
I'm sure some police out there have had sergeants-in-charge make big mistakes. And court officials have no doubt witnessed huge missteps taken by judges and lawyers. And, no doubt, Pocket authors who've seen their editors and/or marketing people make wrong decisions...
No joke. Like killing off Janeway. Ranks right up there with the worst of decisions . . .
