My Idea for a new series

[ProStar]

I think that a series set in 2420 (50 years) after Nemesis with a fresh production crew on a federation deep space vessel with there familys and major faciltes (A bit like a moving Starbase) the they are going to explore around the Galactic core. The first episode would involve leaving Earth and the Federation. The vessel is equipped with some of the Technolgy Voyager bought back from the Delta Quadrant which will be focused in some episodes as will the Gamma and Alpha and Beta. It will introduce new races and and new problems galactic navigation. and also part of job will be keeping a eye on the wormhole at the centre of the Milky Way. The vessel will equipped with Warp Drive and Quatum Sliptream to get it to the Centre and resupply it at Earth. This wouldn't very much but once a season and it will be have a contingent of Runabouts and scoutting vessels and the Starbase will have Phasers and Quamtum and Transphasic topedos. It will have the Armour to protect it but some of vessels will put it to the test.

It is only a idea thoughts

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yeah, what happens in the stories that makes it interesting?

What you've described is a series about a spaceship exploring space. It fits within the same template as every previous Star Trek series, and introduces nothing new except to move the dates forward and give fresh names to technological conceits that are conceptually identical to the ones already used.

There is no intrinsic difference between "warp drive" and "quantum slipstream drive" that makes any difference in storytelling, just as there is no intrinsic storytelling difference between saying "one thousand light years" and saying "ten thousand light years."

 

[Gepard]

Yeah, what happens in the stories that makes it interesting?

The ship flies around and is invulnerable to everything while the good guys blow shit up real good. Duh. What else?

 

[StarTrekker]

No to quantum slipstream drive, its too overpowered.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I'll move to Future of Trek where whether or not to have quantum slipstream can debated endlessly.

 

[Bluesteel]

Oh god no why a family? Family = Kids and Teenagers = annoying.

 

[ProStar]

lets see TOS ship based
Next Generation ship based
Deep Space Nine Station based with a Ship on the side
Voyager ship based
Enterprise Ship based

the new movie has breathed new life into the franchise as Rick Berman and co. had nothing to do with it.

A new series based well away from the previous series but with hints of the old series (a bit like Roast Lamb with Mint sauce). Yes there would be some episodes with Kids as it reflects what happens in real life and how are teenagers in the future like (I wouldn't make them like Jake,Nog and Wesley Crusher) Teenagers get a load of bad press but not all them. The Media only foucus on the bad part but forget about the good ones. The Fanchise needs to modernise itslef (the new movie acted like a modern movie but it was Trek at its core). Also how do kids act like when they seperated from friends back on Earth. A lot of the Action would be on the adults. I wouldn't make like 8 simple rules but Trek need to modernises or Die.

 

[urbandk]

Quantum Slipstream Drive, that's impossible. Everyone knows you become salamanders at warp 10.

I have an idea. Why not set a show on a spaceship at some arbitrary time in the future. There will be aliens and fancy technology. There will be threats to the crewmembers or ship on a weekly basis, but the good guys will always win in the end.

 

[HitechLolife]

I like the idea if only from the perspective of distancing itself from what's gone before to be a TNG style relaunch while staying within continuity.

I don't see why it's would be a problem to keep the same premise of a starship exploring space. (You know - wagon train to the stars and all that). I'm interested in seeing science fiction concepts play out and an infinite universe provides the sandbox for just that. I'm not terribly interested in watching a high concept soap opera. It will be the quality of writing that determines the viability of a new series, not the 'star trek, now with kung fu chop action' approach.

 

[Elim Garak]

I'm not terribly interested in watching a high concept soap opera.

No, but a recurring X-Files style plot thread would do well to give the series its own individual identity. (Quite frankly, I must question the intelligence of anyone who actually wants a Simpsons style magic reset button, one of the best things about the new movie is it's "screw you reset button" approach). Give the "primary antagonist species" an arc (like Cardassians and Bajorans in DS9, Andorians in ENT) instead of just random border disputes. Maybe even consider the possibilty of an SCE type show.

The Doctor Who-inspired format ENT used in its final season would serve a new Trek series well, but I'm not sure how many networks would go for it (but who knows, DVD has largely replaced syndication).

 

[HitechLolife]

I'm not terribly interested in watching a high concept soap opera.

No, but a recurring X-Files style plot thread would do well to give the series its own individual identity. (Quite frankly, I must question the intelligence of anyone who actually wants a Simpsons style magic reset button, one of the best things about the new movie is it's "screw you reset button" approach).

You know professor, I must be stupid because your logic is pretty hard to follow. You realise you basically said "since it appears we don't agree, I think you're dumb". You're arrogant and ill-mannered, plain and simple.

You're making great leaps to get from my statement about soap operas to a comparison to a cartoon. I'm all for progression and character development, DS9 did this well.

I do think TNG and TOS had a great deal of freedom in their episodic format. They could explore a hard sci-fi concept neatly within an episode. That's good writing and it's conducive to new audience members jumping in.

A story should be given the amount of time it needs, be it a short or long. It shouldn't be hammered out to fit some kind of market ideaology. The focus should always be on good science fiction however, not "What is Billy up to this week?".

 

[xortex]

Let's rereimagine TNG. everything different but in line with TOS. An overarcing mystery behind it that can't be solved but just explored.

 

[Shazam!]

The Fanchise needs to modernise itslef

I disagree. I actually think it needs to go back to its roots with crazy science-fiction, bizarre alien worlds, and scantily-clad bitches.

It needs to take itself less seriously and install a sense of fun and adventure back into sci-fi.

 

[Elim Garak]

I'm not terribly interested in watching a high concept soap opera.

No, but a recurring X-Files style plot thread would do well to give the series its own individual identity. (Quite frankly, I must question the intelligence of anyone who actually wants a Simpsons style magic reset button, one of the best things about the new movie is it's "screw you reset button" approach).

You know professor, I must be stupid because your logic is pretty hard to follow. You realise you basically said "since it appears we don't agree, I think you're dumb". You're arrogant and ill-mannered, plain and simple.

I think you're trying on a shoe that doesn't fit, my friend.

Your original post gave no indication of how you would react to an X-Files or DS9 type format, or how you felt about the cheap reset button. You just said you didn't want a high concept soap opera (I would say "who does?", but that would just have someone else jumping on me). TXF was NOT a soap opera, anyone who would say otherwise has never seen the show; on average, 4-7 of each season's 22 episodes were devoted to the "mythology" of the series, the rest of it was "monster of the week" with the occasional comedy thrown in. So ultimately, it was still episodic and not a serial. 7 years of our show being dissed as a soap opera by people who have never seen it, and "simplistic" by the Fringe and Battlestar Galactica (new) crowds has made the XF fanbase somewhat defensive. I'm not sure if I'm still part of it, as I feel betrayed by that travesty MOTW movie last year, but that's another topic.

 

[HitechLolife]

No, but a recurring X-Files style plot thread would do well to give the series its own individual identity. (Quite frankly, I must question the intelligence of anyone who actually wants a Simpsons style magic reset button, one of the best things about the new movie is it's "screw you reset button" approach).

You know professor, I must be stupid because your logic is pretty hard to follow. You realise you basically said "since it appears we don't agree, I think you're dumb". You're arrogant and ill-mannered, plain and simple.

I think you're trying on a shoe that doesn't fit, my friend.

Your original post gave no indication of how you would react to an X-Files or DS9 type format, or how you felt about the cheap reset button. You just said you didn't want a high concept soap opera (I would say "who does?", but that would just have someone else jumping on me). TXF was NOT a soap opera, anyone who would say otherwise has never seen the show; on average, 4-7 of each season's 22 episodes were devoted to the "mythology" of the series, the rest of it was "monster of the week" with the occasional comedy thrown in. So ultimately, it was still episodic and not a serial. 7 years of our show being dissed as a soap opera by people who have never seen it, and "simplistic" by the Fringe and Battlestar Galactica (new) crowds has made the XF fanbase somewhat defensive. I'm not sure if I'm still part of it, as I feel betrayed by that travesty MOTW movie last year, but that's another topic.

You introduced X-files into the conversation after the soap opera comparison mate, not me.

You then proceed to continue talking about the X-Files like we were somehow discussing it.( hint: we weren't. ) Infact I never talked about X files and somehow you think I'm attacking the show?

I brought up DS9 after you assumed (which is what you did) that I wanted the show reset simpsons style. I simply want the focus to be on science fiction not character drama. (and certainly not "bitches" like another replier put it. There's enough fiction out there to insult my intelligence.).

You need to follow the progression of the conversation better sir. You're leaping all over the place and projecting things upon me which make little sense. Since you didn't find enough grace to apoligise for your earlier insult, I feel little shame in pointing out the irony of it.

 

[T'Girl]

And once again you have us in a ship on the frontier. The worlds don''t have to be new to the crew of the ship, they have to be new to the viewers of the show! You could place your starship in the middle of the federation, just don't have the same twenty races we've seen endless times, feel free to change or completely abandon really basic trek concepts. Forget canon, this is YOUR show. Drama or comedy, middle of the season transfer your captain to a new ship or kill him off. Please to god keep us guessing.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Quantum Slipstream Drive, that's impossible. Everyone knows you become salamanders at warp 10.

I wanna see a show about the salamanders. I still cannot believe Janeway and Paris just abandoned their children like that! I lie awake nights worrying about them....

I have an idea. Why not set a show on a spaceship at some arbitrary time in the future. There will be aliens and fancy technology. There will be threats to the crewmembers or ship on a weekly basis, but the good guys will always win in the end.

Here's my idea. The good guys always lose. I'm curious to see how long could you continue a story like that before the entire crew are intergalactic hoboes, hitching rides on passing garbage scows, and even they won't take them.

I don't see why it's would be a problem to keep the same premise of a starship exploring space.

Because it's boring.

Hasn't everyone noticed that Star Trek isn't about exploration? Exploration is what they do for ten seconds at the beginning of the episode, when they're scanning a nebula, and then the story starts and everyone forgets that boring-ass nebula.

When ENT took the space exploration premise literally, that was its downfall. They just "explored" the same dumb planets we've seen a million times before. The audience bailed. Then they wised up and started a war in S3 but by then it was too late.

Real space explorers wouldn't bop around from one planet to another. There would be more incredible stuff on one alien world than a legion of scientists could spend several lifetimes researching. They'd settle down and start a research station, and start collecting information. Starfleet does not seem at all interested in doing the boring, sedentary work that real scientists do, and it would be a challenge to make such activity interesting in a TV series.

PS, Wagon Train to the Stars would be about colonists travelling through space to find a new home. That's actually a "star trek." But that's not what Star Trek is about, either.

The worlds don''t have to be new to the crew of the ship, they have to be new to the viewers of the show!

Bingo. Then the problem becomes actually coming up with worlds that are different enough from what we've seen a million times, that they won't bore us and we won't be able to say "oh yeah, I know how this one goes..."

You could place your starship in the middle of the federation,

That seems obvious, but people rarely suggest it. Part of Starfleet's mission is to patrol the Federation, which happened sometimes in TOS and hardly ever after. How about a starship that rarely leaves the Federation? The Federation is this unknown black hole at the heart of Star Trek, which we hardly know anything about, and plays space cop? Since the new worlds they could explore are going to be invented by the same people who are coming up with Federation worlds, then why not stay at home? Can't be any more boring than what's out there.

 

[urbandk]

You could place your starship in the middle of the federation,

That seems obvious, but people rarely suggest it. Part of Starfleet's mission is to patrol the Federation, which happened sometimes in TOS and hardly ever after. How about a starship that rarely leaves the Federation? The Federation is this unknown black hole at the heart of Star Trek, which we hardly know anything about, and plays space cop? Since the new worlds they could explore are going to be invented by the same people who are coming up with Federation worlds, then why not stay at home? Can't be any more boring than what's out there.

Great idea. Very true. Great episodes like Devil in the Dark were all about stuff happening on a Federation planet. And by setting episodes in the Federation, let's not just talk about Earth. Returning to Earth episodes are warmed over. The Federation is a big place. There should be more episodes about it.

 

[Solarbaby]

How about its set 50 years in the future but an event has caused a change in the federation. The philosophy has changed with Starfleet and they have had to forgo the ideals the previous series stood for in order to preserve their culture and societies.

Characters from Nemesis timeline - not necessarily TNG or DS9 crew are brought into the future. They decide to stay and try to get Starfleet back on track. A continuing story could reveal what happened to change the Federation and is it too late to get the federation back to its roots

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I don't see why it's would be a problem to keep the same premise of a starship exploring space.

It's not a problem at all - it's just not a new idea in any form. It's the basic idea of Trek from the beginning.