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My DS9 Rewatch Odyssey

Yeah, I've enjoyed reading (if not necessarily agreeing with) the reviews very much, but I haven't had much coming to me in terms of anything that I thought would add to the conversation.

I'm dealing with more broad...fatigue...though, so perhaps this isn't very surprising.

I'm glad you're keeping these going though, as they are good reads whether or not I'm 100% onboard with them.
 
“THE EMPEROR’S NEW CLOAK”

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“To me.” “To you!” (Only British people of a certain age will get the reference, but I couldn’t resist)

Wow. An inspired premise, brilliant writing, stunning performances, nonstop excitement and thrills, wit and genuine hilarity throughout—“The Emperor’s New Cloak” has none of these things.

I don’t even know how this ended up quite so bad—and, make no mistake, it is bad. I genuinely enjoyed DS9’s first trip to the Mirror Universe, and the first couple of return visits were watchable. It’s pure pulp sci-fi, but it kind of worked because it didn’t take itself seriously. It was something of a palate cleanser at best. I was also rather a fan of the show’s Ferengi episodes, until that was seriously tested by last season’s nadir, the lamentable “Profit and Lace”. Alas, mashing two of what had become the show’s least popular elements into a single episode was a simply horrendous idea and Ira Behr and Hans Beimler’s script is so bad I almost got the sense it took less time to write than it did to watch.

First of all, there are some glimmers of hope. Quark and Rom’s theft of Martok’s cloaking device is quite fun, and features a wonderfully executed bit of physical comedy (in the form of the cloaked cloak). While I hate the continued ease with which Mirror Universe characters hop across to our universe—“Run out of milk? Why, just hop over to the alternate universe and borrow a pint from there!”—and without getting noticed, either, things aren’t all that bad until we get over to the Mirror Universe.

I can actually pinpoint the very second the episode jumped the shark: and that’s the moment we see a non-hologram Vic Fontaine getting killed. It’s an utterly pointless, nonsensical moment done for no other reason than because they could. While Behr did a huge number of things right during his tenure as show-runner, he also had a highly self-indulgent streak and at times gave his idiosyncrasies too much free rein...as is evidenced by pretty much this entire episode. It’s meant to be funny and tongue in cheek—and back in the fourth season’s “Shattered Mirror” they just about managed to get that balance right. But, sadly, the execution is just horrendous in every way here. The plot is wafer thin and ridden with holes, the humour, obvious and obnoxious as it is, rarely lands, the characterisation is one-dimensional and the performances surprisingly weak.

The only person in the cast who seems to be enjoying themselves is Michael Dorn, who gets some amusing moments as the Regent (“You—come here. Your Regent needs you”) and I dig the fact that he and Garak are still together, with Garak having elevated himself from grovelling prisoner to grovelling right hand man. Jeffrey Combs is also great as a very different version of Brunt (ie., one that isn’t a total asshole). Unfortunately, the rest of the cast seem far less enchanted. Armin Shimmerman, who normally gives it his all, seems notably resigned and deflated and, for perhaps the first time in the entire series, is clearly phoning it in—(case in point, notice the way he delivers lines like “Rom, you’re driving me crazy” and “I hope you’re very happy together”). It’s clear he thinks the script is a pile of shit and, probably still suffering the burn from “Profit and Lace”, isn’t even dignifying it with effort. I don’t blame him.

Max Grodenchik, bless his soul, is still trying as hard as he can, but the sad fact is that Rom, as much as I love him, is irritating as hell in this episode. No, I certainly didn’t need Rom to point out how ridiculous and idiotic the entire concept and plot is (“But it’s the ALTERNATE universe!!”). The writers were obviously trying to be meta, but I’d wish they hadn’t bothered.

Of course, this being the middle of the seventh season, Ezri is put front and centre, and, sadly, Nicole deBoer doesn’t have to chops to be at all convincing as her supposedly “badass” Mirror renegade (she comes across as more of a petulant goth schoolgirl). Also, unlike a lot of people these days, I’m not someone who easily gets offended, but the fetishisation of lesbianism in order to titillate straight males does piss me off, and we all know that’s precisely what they were doing. It’s particularly egregious considering that (aside from Jadzia, who I’m not sure counts) it’s the only LGBT representation Star Trek ever had to this point, and would have for the next nearly two decades. I know this is a show from over twenty years ago, but, even so, the way it’s dealt with here, in the evil Mirror Universe, no less, is just plain... skeevy. It was back then and it is now.

That’s about all I have to say about this one. I think probably the worst thing is that it’s dedicated to the late Jerome Bixby, the renowned science-fiction writer who penned the original Mirror Universe episode in 1967. Talk about adding insult to injury. He’d have been rolling in his grave if he’d known this drivel had been broadcast in his name. Rating: 2
 
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Nicely put! :techman:

It does seem Ira Behr had/has a blind spot in some ways--he was “extremely happy” with this show. LeVar Burton said it was a “really fun trip” to direct [maybe he never watched it?]. Only part I liked was Rom and Quark carrying the invisible cloaking device...they had to practice for 3 days. Worst part - Vic Fontaine getting killed. What were they thinking?! And yes, it was very poor judgment to identify bisexuality with the ‘evil’ mirror universe. They sorta did the same thing with the Intendant in “Crossover.”
 
Just finished rewatching " Blood Oath" - DS9 Second season.
I must say there is a bit of difference between TNG/DS9/VOY Klingons and the Discovery Klingons.
What I like in the "newly created" Klingons is their "enhanced" strong voice - which reminds me of Ka D'Argo the famous luxan from Farscape.... I believe they enhanced his voice too, giving him some sort of strength of character.
Also the Discovery fighting techniques seem more real as if some MMA martial art teacher gave some lessons to each actor :)
Only these 2 things make Discovery a bit more credible, otherwise I'm more like an "old school" fan (Roddenbery/Berman/Piller)...
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"THE EMPEROR'S NEW CLOAK"... great review of a terrible episode.

I have nothing else to add, except the obvious 'the Mirror Universe already had a cloak, shown earlier in this series' bit.

Personally, I give it a 1. Terrible, terrible episode. The only good is what you mentioned, which was the cloaked cloak bit with Quark and Rom.
 
Weak episode, but not as terrible as some episode/stories. I think that Rom/Max Grodenchick does an excellent job in the episode. However, it also points to the episodes major flaw. If you are doing Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, you can't tell larger story of the episode. Worf, the Intendant, Garak and Ezri Tegan can only exist to give them little tidbits that confuse them rather than inform them.
 
I admit I love the Vic Fontaine moment, perhaps paradoxically, both for how nonsensical it is and for the questions it raises regarding what's really going on here.

If my recollections are correct, I'm less impressed by the physical comedy involving the cloaked cloak than others seem to be.

Otherwise, I barely remember what even happens in this episode. Doesn't it end with a sadly almost-perfunctory attack on the Klingon ship by the Defiant? Sad that they could take what could be a good action setpiece and make it boring.
 
Loved the review, hated the episode (dejà vu?), except that Ihated this one with a passion! The only good scene is of course Rom and Quark carrying the invisible cloaking device (reminiscent of the scene in "The Magnificent Ferengi" where they are wandering in the Jeffrey's tubes.) .

I googled "“To me.” “To you!”" and got "The Chuckle Brothers". Is that what you are referring to? Never heard of them... which is not surprising since I am not British.
 
“THE EMPEROR’S NEW CLOAK”

That’s about all I have to say about this one. I think probably the worst thing is that it’s dedicated to the late Jerome Bixby, the renowned science-fiction writer who penned the original Mirror Universe episode in 1967. Talk about adding insult to injury. He’d have been rolling in his grave if he’d known this drivel had been broadcast in his name. Rating: 2

You don't think this episode would be an important enough mission to get Bixby in Writer's Stovokor? :)
 
Regarding "IT'S ONLY A PAPER MOON"...

Excellent episode. Everything worked beautifully. To be honest, I never saw a problem with how counselors are portrayed in the franchise because frankly, I find a vast majority of real life ones a joke anyway. You'll get better results from a loved one or friend who listens than some stranger with a degree. At the end of the day, the majority are there to just line their pockets with no real incentive to help. Family and friends DO have incentive because they care. I don't mean to come off as insulting to any shrinks around, but I've found through observations and experience that this is the case. (There are decent ones out there, I'm certain. Some who actually care. It's like doctors... but those decent ones seem far fewer in number than you are likely to encounter.)

I have a theory for why music seems to be stored in data rods instead of a subspace internet. It's a Cardassian station... the database for holding information is likely tied up with essentials. Very little room for extras like musical databases.

I definitely rate this a 10.


Regarding "PRODIGAL DAUGHTER"...

Yeah, this episode was bad. It was pretty boring, and the script seemed to be all over the place. I think this was rushed into production because of the realities of tv production, which explains why Robert Hewitt Wolfe was hired to do "FIELD OF FIRE"... everyone else was busy trying to get this one to work. Definitely the worst for Weddle and Thompson.

Frankly, a 4 rating is generous. I gave this a 2.
 
Regarding "IT'S ONLY A PAPER MOON"...

I never saw a problem with how counselors are portrayed in the franchise because frankly, I find a vast majority of real life ones a joke anyway. You'll get better results from a loved one or friend who listens than some stranger with a degree.

This seems a bit harsh. I would agree that TNG’s Deanna Troi is not a strong portrayal of a counselor. On the one hand her position is highly honored with a seat on the bridge next to the captain, on the other hand she mostly makes inane observations anyone could deduce, e.g. ”He’s hiding something, Captain!”

It’s true friends and loved ones can often give the kind of support a psychologist/psychiatrist can’t, but the reverse is also true - trained experienced professionals can be objective and resourceful in ways that are just as helpful if not more so.
 
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In Troi's defense, I think the writers who leveraged her as a first contact liaison hit on a much better use of her, and maybe that should have been emphasized more than her "mind-reading". I also think that probably does justify a seat on the bridge, at least during appropriate missions.

I also think Farscape's views on therapists are...unkind...but I also come from a family of social workers, so I may be biased.
 
“FIELD OF FIRE”

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“Poor melon. It was so nice, as well...”

Well, this is just what we needed. We’re barely halfway through the final season, and here’s a third Ezri episode and also the third consecutive week to feature her prominently. I was annoyed by this back when the series aired and I’m still annoyed—not because I dislike the character, but because I hate seeing our regular, far more compelling characters get horribly sidelined until the season’s final mad dash to the closing line. Aside from opening two-parter, which was one storyline among several, there’s not a single Sisko episode all season, and all too often he’s barely been featured outside of brief cameos. Unless you count “Once More Unto the Breach” (which I kind of don’t given how minimal his participation was) Worf hasn’t had an episode specifically devoted to his character, and neither have Quark, O’Brien, or Jake. Kira and Odo both had episodes in which they featured prominently, although both played second fiddle to recurring characters. Garak hasn’t even been seen outside of a fairly rubbish subplot in, you guessed it, an earlier Ezri episode. I find that unforgivable, particularly given how poor the Ezri episodes ended up being. So that’s an immediate strike before I even come to this episode.

“Field of Fire” is an episode I didn’t remember all that much about aside from its ridiculous contrivances and plot holes. The premise has potential, and the first half of the episode is actually quite strong, boosted by impressive helming by one-time director Tony Dow and a decent sense of atmosphere and suspense. It’s nice to see Robert Hewitt Wolfe’s name in the credits again, as he’s a fine writer who contributed some excellent scripts during his five seasons on the writing staff. Sadly, this is one of his worst outside of “Let He Who is Without Sin...” Star Trek rarely managed to tell an effective murder-mystery, and, frankly, if the writers had wanted to craft a decent one they ought to have called on Peter Allan Fields who wrote perhaps Trek’s greatest murder-mystery, the second season’s stunning “Necessary Evil”.

Right from the teaser, it’s clear that Ensign Ilario has a bullseye sign painted on his back, because it seems so odd seeing the senior crew fraternising with a junior officer, something that very rarely happens on DS9. It sets up an initially interesting mystery; one that sadly proves maddeningly disappointing in its resolution.

Things begin unravelling the moment Ezri makes the utterly ludicrous decision to conjure up her psychopathic past host Joran, assuming that because he committed murder he would automatically understand how every other murderer in existence thinks and behaves. How is deliberately unleashing a deeply disturbed and psychotic sub-personality in any way a good idea? What does that say about Ezri’s professional worth when she evidently has so little confidence in her skills that she has to endanger her sanity and, frankly, the lives of the people around her? I don’t even know why she’s given such a prominent role in the investigation when she’s simply a counsellor, which, as far as I know, is light years away from a forensic psychologist. Her ineptitude and severe lack of judgement makes her a liability to the crew rather than an asset.

Of course, what Wolfe is attempting to do is create “SILENCE OF THE LAMBS” DS9-style. Unfortunately, it just doesn’t work. For a start, while Nicole deBoer does a decent job with the material she’s given, she is no Jodie Foster and guest star Leigh McCloskey is certainly no Anthony Hopkins. Indeed, while he’s not bad, McCloskey lacks any true sense of menace or danger as Joran, and, therefore, the scenes where he’s trying to lure Ezri to the Dark Side and fairly ineffectual—and repetitive, too. “Come on, pull the trigger, you know you want to kill him really! You’re a killer, embrace it!” “No, I’m not, shut up, leave me alone!” Ad nauseum. The fact Ezri almost stabs a crewman with cutlery from Quark’s, in an inexplicably overblown, needlessly melodramatic sequence, only underscores how stupid Ezri was to deliberately compromise her mind, her objectivity, her professionalism and sanity. I also have no idea how Joran is able to see things that Ezri isn’t even looking at, such as a photograph behind her and the Vulcan’s face in the turbolift. How does that even work?

The resolution to the mystery is staggering in its inanity. Ezri doesn’t discover the murderer through clear evidence and deduction, but by ridiculous guesswork that just, by sheer fluke, happens to be correct. She decides that the victims were killed because they have photographs of smiling people in their quarters (although don’t most people smile in photographs?!), and then makes the astounding leap that the killer must therefore hate emotion and be a Vulcan. Wha—? It turns out there are 48 Vulcans on the station, yet it just so happens that the very Vulcan they are after gets on the turbolift with them and Joran decides that this is the one because of his facial expression or something. What are the chances, huh? I didn’t buy a second of it. Ezri didn’t solve the mystery because of any skill, competence or coherent reasoning—but by making wild, crazy assumptions without a shred of logic or evidence and then finding out those happened to be correct. As murder-mystery plotting goes, this is some seriously shoddy writing.

The climax, featuring both Ezri and the Vulcan killer with TR-116 rifles is fairly well done. The TR-116 is a cool invention and a rare example of the DS9 writers giving some genuine thought to future tech. If they have the technology to manufacture weapons such as these, however, it does make you wonder why they aren’t equipping frontline troops in places like AR-558 with decent guns. How much easier and safer it would be taking out Jem’Hadar from a distance with a weapon like this? Of course, they do pose considerable privacy concerns as we see here, which is no doubt why these particular rifles were banned.

The shoot-out makes for an exciting moment, although the way Ezri marches to Chulak’s quarters, without security backup or even a weapon of her own, is another ridiculous lapse of judgement on her part, and she only narrowly avoids being taken out by the still conscious Vulcan. Alas, his explanation for his actions—“logic dictated it”—is truly unsatisfying, but, then, logic isn’t the strong point of this particular episode.

If you’re capable of suspending disbelief significantly, you might find this an enjoyable hour. I’m afraid I can’t and don’t, but it is at least an improvement from the previous episode and features some good, pacy directing, an effective score and some nice moments, such as O’Brien demonstrating the TR-116 (and Odo’s “nice melon” line), the climatic shootout and an unexpectedly sweet (or stalkerish?) moment on the Promenade between Ezri and Worf. Unfortunately, I just can’t overlook the crappy plotting. Ezri makes a number of utterly stupid decisions, not least deliberately conjuring up a psychopathic past host on the asinine assumption that all killers automatically think exactly alike. The resolution is just absurd to me, hinging upon “reasoning” that makes very little sense and monumental coincidence that the killer just happens to present himself at a certain moment. This is yet another filler episode I wish had either been substantially rewritten or discarded in favour of stronger and more relevant material. Rating: 4
 
Great review! As always you've managed to say pretty much everything I wanted to say about this episode. It's stupid piled on stupid. Ezri is pitiful and everything she does only works because of "magic". She could as well have said "the killer will be determined by throwing a dart at a phonebook (or the 24th-century equivalent) and have it work. "Joran" is not very convincing as a psychopath... He's more like a misanthrope with a taste for violence... Anyway, using a psychopathic killer as a crime consultant has to be one of the worst ideas ever uttered in a star trek episode and that says something!

Plus I mean who doesn't have pictures of smiling people in their home? He hates emotion so he must be a Vulcan!! Why? Why can't a human being hate emotion, for example? I am sure some do. Well, I hate this episode. Thankfully as you said it is the last one to be this bad.
 
I disliked this episode for all the reasons stated in the review....mainly, the focus on Ezri gets tiresome.
Joran came across as creepy and insinuating, but there’s so little backstory on him, beyond being a pianist with a quick temper….how did he manage to pass the rigorous test Trills go through to become a symbiont host?
It would have been more interesting if there had been other suspects besides Chu’lak. The immediate assumption that only a Vulcan could go berserk at the sight of people laughing in the photos, seemed extreme….although the fact that even a Vulcan officer could crack shows the war has taken an extensive toll.

Side note - Bashir’s lines about Davy Crockett giving his rifles female names, a “relationship” of owner and object resembling man and woman, ties in with ‘gun nuts’ in the US --and the politicians they elect--being more determined to keep their weapons than their loved ones.
 
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Moving on, I find it interesting that while no less than two Trek series have featured main characters who were counsellors, the writing again suggests that the writers had little regard for professional counsellors or psychologists.
Honestly, the more aware I become of how professionals are to conduct themselves and what is portrayed on TV the more frustrating it is to see such little regard for this profession. I think the episode "It's only a Paper Moon" works quite well because it honestly deals with PTSD in an accurate manner. But, then it also immediately caves in to the cliched opinion that a therapist can't help if they don't fully understand what a person goes through.
This seems a bit harsh. I would agree that TNG’s Deanna Troi is not a strong portrayal of a counselor. On the one hand her position is highly honored with a seat on the bridge next to the captain, on the other hand she mostly makes inane observations anyone could deduce, e.g. ”He’s hiding something, Captain!”

It’s true friends and loved ones can often give the kind of support a psychologist/psychiatrist can’t, but the reverse is also true - trained experienced professionals can be objective and resourceful in ways that are just as helpful if not more so.
Troi would be an excellent diplomatic officer. The counselor side again reflects Anata's observation of little regard for that profession.

Regarding family vs friends as supportive, this is exactly right that family can do it and so can therapists. My wife and I have many discussions about the differences between going to a family member and going to a professional. A family member has a deep emotional investment, not just in our own well being but also a potential outcome. As a therapist, I want my client's well being but I don't necessarily have an investment in one specific outcome. So both can work but there are limits to each. Expectations can have a huge impact.
In Troi's defense, I think the writers who leveraged her as a first contact liaison hit on a much better use of her, and maybe that should have been emphasized more than her "mind-reading". I also think that probably does justify a seat on the bridge, at least during appropriate missions.

I also think Farscape's views on therapists are...unkind...but I also come from a family of social workers, so I may be biased.
I am supremely biased as that is my profession. But, I also have friends who have had terrible interactions with therapists and felt completely unheard. And it saddens me because I do think many could benefit from therapy at some point, but that there are so many who either don't communicate well what therapy is all about or simply are not caring enough to provide that warm empathy to build the relationship.

Apologies for the derail. This is definitely a thing for me.
 
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