My DS9 Rewatch Odyssey

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  1. Vash

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    Enjoyed the review. Loved Jadzia in the whole episode. I read that director LeVar Burton said after this he dubbed Terry Farrell, 'Action Barbie.'
    Kor really is quite different from the menacing, brutal Klingon in “Errand of Mercy." John Colicos says, “Kor is a Falstaffian character, a bon vivant, a good storyteller…He’s larger than life, of gargantuan proportions now, or will be when I’m through with him.”
    A few quibbles --the Lethean Soto, hired by Toral, to read Kor’s mind for the whereabouts of the sword - this was passed over so quickly. Had to look it up.
    What, Vulcans couldn’t figure out how to get past a force field?
    Worf suddenly declares himself as the chosen one, destined to become Emperor-- He goes from being in awe of Kor at the beginning, to being ready to let him fall to his death, when Kor was never really a threat to him. But, I liked the ambiguity about whether the sword could have been cursed, or cast a malevolent spell. The Bat'leth (why do they call it a sword?) floating off at the end was a nice touch-- I’ve never understood how things could be beamed into space with no coordinates for the transporter.
    In his book, the Bat'leth inventor Dan Curry said “I made Kahless’ version more baroquely vicious…..I asked the prop makers to give Kahless’ blade the layered look of Damascus steel.”
     
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  2. Swedish Borg

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    @ananta: Great review! Personally, I enjoy every Colicos episode, without his presence I would probably rate this a 7 like you but he ups it to a 9 to me.
     
  3. DonIago

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    I think you got your scores for this episode and "Starship Down" reversed. :p

    Seriously though, as you noted, I just find Kor and Worf both so obnoxious in this episode that, while I really do understand and appreciate what the intent was, the execution makes me want to pitch them both off the cliff. For everyone able to look past it, more power to you...and your house!!!

    It also irked me that they bring Toral back but make him and his appearance in the episode so one-note. Would anything significant have changed if he was a generi-Klingon? It almost makes me wonder whether the writers wanted to do more with him, but this appearance is incredibly forgettable.
     
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    I find it funny that some Irq (sp?) DNA is enough to pass a forcefield like these people don't have any criminals in their society that may need to be kept away from things...
     
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    Maybe not all of that at once but I would definitely get bored in an ascetic society like the Bajoran's.
     
  6. kkt

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    The Sword of Kahless reminds me a lot of The Treasure of the Sierra Madre. They have a quest, they are close to achieving it, but the closer they get the more greed takes over and the more they mistrust each other. Unfortunately for Bogart and Holt, they didn't have Dax along to whap them upside the head when they got out of control. Colicos is excellent in this episode, I'm very glad the producers tracked down Colicos not only for the tie-in to the TOS but just because he's a terrific actor. Farrell was good and has grown a lot more convincing since the first few seasons. Dorn holds his own but becomes a better actor over the course of DS9.
     
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  7. Farscape One

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    Great review. I've always loved this episode. (In fact, this episode was my most recent 'Name That DS9 Episode' answer in that game thread.) LeVar Burton is definitely an excellent director, and I always look forward to his episodes... something I told him when I met him.

    I thought it was a brilliant touch to make the sword not have mystical powers that turned Klingons against each. It mirrors how people would react in real life to religious icons and artifacts.

    I discovered years after DS9 ended that the reason we got Worf peppered in episodes until his focus one now was because up to that point, the episodes were mostly written before the studio had Behr do that shakeup of bringing him aboard. Once Worf was added, it was a matter of retooling those episodes, most notably "HIPPOCRATIC OATH" and "STARSHIP DOWN", to fit him in. When they first aired, I actually thought it was an incredibly smart decision to just pepper him in instead of having him steal the entire show. I still think it was smart, but now I know it was a matter of practicality.

    This definitely has INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE vibes, and that happens to be my favorite of the Indy movies.

    It's a damn shame we never see a Lethean again. I hope DISCOVERY or STRANGE NEW WORLDS brings them back, because they are one of the best races Westmore ever did.

    As stated, John Colicos always brings it as Kor. He's always a highlight of every episode he's in.

    I get why the sword was beamed into space. It was the most sensible solution given how Worf and Kor acted. I have a feeling Dax had a hand in that decision, as she was the only level headed one there.

    Having the Hur'q apparently be from the Gamma Quadrant poses an interesting question. Could the wormhole have been used on a regular basis by someone from long ago? Or are they another really advanced travel tech people like the Iconians were? I'd love to see a follow up with that race.

    Regarding Dorn, I really think Worf was a better written character on DS9 than TNG. I think Dorn even said he got more challenging stuff as an actor here than on TNG, and it shows. My wife even saw the difference, though her big observation was Worf was funnier on TNG than DS9.

    Another episode thst knocks it out of the park. This is a 9 for me.
     
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    Interestingly, both the Hur'q and Iconians are revisited in Star Trek Online, including the formers presence in the gamma quadrant.
     
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    Badges!!! We don't need no stinking badges!!!
     
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    I should have said "Bat'leths" it would have been funnier.:D
     
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    For my money, John Colicos was easily the best Klingon, more nuanced than the others actors who played one--Dorn, Plummer, Hertzler, Chieffo, who were all very good. Like wine, poetry was always on his tongue, and he did more to realize the idea that the ideal Klingon was both warrior and bard. The fun of this episode is less in the story and more in the DS9 characters interacting with the actor who established the character type.
     
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    Plummer was very good!! It's a pity we only saw him once.

    The bolted-on eyepatch is terrific!!
     
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    That must be why I like the Bajorans so much.
    I mean, he did appear in a video game too.

    Chang will always be the penultimate Klingon, with Kor and Kang following close behind. But, the Sword of Kahless had Kor feel far more insufferable than even Blood Oath. So, mixed response for me.
     
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  14. Vash

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    Came across this "movie poster" recently - couldn't find who the artist is, but pretty cool !
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    THAT. IS. AWESOME!!!!!

    I would like that post a thousand times if it were possible.
     
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    Great poster!:techman:
     
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  17. Vash

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    This is probably by the same artist
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    “OUR MAN BASHIR”

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    (Genetically) Tinker(ed), (Friends with a) Tailor, Doctor, Spy...

    (I love the movie poster Vash posted, I was going to post it on the review! It’s wonderful)

    Let’s get this clear upfront: I’m not easily pleased when it comes to holodeck episodes. That could be because the novelty had LONG since worn off by the time TNG heaved its final breaths. Whereas Voyager overused the holodeck obscenely (the very memory of Janeway hooking up with some hologram in that ghastly village of the Oirish stereotypes makes me wretch), DS9 had thus far managed to avoid holodeck—or, sorry, holosuite—shenanigans. Which, I suppose, contributes to a sense of novelty for “Our Man Bashir”; an episode which, I have to admit, I absolutely ADORE. For me, this is one of the show’s all-time finest ensemble comedy romps, up there with “Trials and Tribble-ations” and “In the Cards”. Make no mistake, “Our Man Bashir” is one of the most fun, engaging and downright feel-good episodes DS9 ever did. I found it an absolute blast from beginning to end.

    It’s no secret that the writing staff frequently ‘borrowed’ plots, themes and tropes from classic Hollywood movies, often with mixed results (lest we ever forget the dire Brigadoon fiasco that was “Meridian”). In this case, “Our Man Bashir” is a less than subtle pastiche of spy flicks and, most obviously, the James Bond franchise. Whereas this had the potential to be a cheap and tacky parody, the writers, actors and production staff all pull together, embrace the inherent silliness and, in the process, create a memorable and thoroughly entertaining an hour of television.

    Plot-wise, it’s a stretch, to put no fine a point on it. But I did appreciate that this wasn’t the standard “holodeck breaks down endangering the crew” episode we’ve all come to expect. Here, the holosuite actually saves the crew’s lives. While I’m on the subject, one of the episode’s failings is that we have two security officers, Odo and Eddington, and an assistant barman (!), Rom, attempting to solve this tech nightmare and save Sisko and co. Odo and Eddington may have been the senior officers on duty, but where are the engineering and operations crew? Shouldn’t have someone more specialised have been directing the recuse operation? DS9 often seemed surprisingly reluctant to depict junior level Starfleet or Bajoran crew members, even when necessitated by the plot. Still, apart from that and the technobabble, these scenes are still surprisingly fun, thanks in large part to Rom, who is always a hoot, and his tech expertise does foreshadow his upcoming career change. I also found the introduction of the True Way Cardassian terrorist group an interesting touch, even if it was never destined to go anywhere in the long run.

    Alexander Siddig seems to relish his centre stage role here, and the idea of Bashir playing a super-suave spy in his spare time is quite delicious, although the really inspired touch was pairing him with actual spy Garak, and the interaction is a treat. Bashir is perhaps a little embarrassed now that his fantasy life has been revealed (but, let’s face it, given what we know of Bashir’s fantasies and what most clientele would seem to use the holosuites for, Garak’s intrusion could have been a HELL of lot more awkward!). Garak is both amused and annoyed at what he sees as a ridiculously unlikely depiction of a spy, and he’s on hand throughout to throw shade, with a number of delightful and sarcastic barbs (and I swear, the way Andy Robinson plays it, Garak seems quite jealous of all the women throwing themselves at Bashir).

    The real joy of this episode is, of course, seeing the rest of the cast bring the various Bond-esque caricatures to life. Everyone is having so much fun here and it truly shows. Alexander Siddig looks fantastic in a tux and is charming throughout, while Andy Robinson is brilliant as the less than unimpressed Garak. Of the rest of the cast, the two standout performances, by a mile, are Nana Visitor as the sexy KGB operative Anastasia (completely with an impressively thick Russian accent) and Avery Brooks, who steals the show as the megalomaniacal Doctor Noah (clearly a riff on Doctor No). Brooks, in particular, chews the scenery like there’s no tomorrow, and absolutely goes to town delivering one of my favourite villain performances of the entire franchise. He is staggeringly, deliriously captivating, and dwarfs everyone else in his scenes. The others don’t get quite as much to do, with Terry Farrell doing little more than looking pretty and acting shy, and Colm Meaney snarling as henchman Falcon. Michael Dorn looks particularly memorable as a Klingon in a white tux, although, disappointingly, plays Duchamps pretty much the same way as he plays Worf.

    The plot is both suitably silly and surprisingly engaging, and the pacing is spot on. Indeed, Winrich Kolbe helms the episode expertly and, perhaps trying to make up for the disappointingly generic score for “Little Green Men”, Jay Chattaway has a ball with the music, admirably rising to the occasion and delivering an appropriately fun and kitschy score. The set designers also deserve kudos for the wonderfully colourful and retro sets. Everything about this episode is just on point and it makes for a hugely refreshing, lively and joyful hour of entertainment. Rating: 10
     
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  19. Swedish Borg

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    Great review! And I absolutely love this episode without any reservation. It's particularly amusing that Garak is so surprised about what is going on while he's wearing a tuxedo and bow tie (so he in fact did know what to expect!).:D
    Which means there is always more to him than meet the eye.
     
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  20. Vash

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    Wonderful review of this fantastic episode - so much to enjoy! The best spoof, and the best holodeck episode Trek ever did.
    Interesting to read that MGM, who owned the James Bond franchise, sent a "very stern" letter to the studio about this - apparently they were not amused. Seems like they should have appreciated the homage as the sincerest form of flattery.
     
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