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Multi-species crews...how realistic?

Warped9

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In retrospect some have complained that the Starfleet of TOS (in general) and the crew of starships (in particular) were too human centric. Consequently it didn't seem to really reflect the principle that the Federation, and in extent Starfleet, purportedly stood for and practiced--that all species were regarded equally and given equal opportunity.

Firstly we know the real world reason for what we saw onscreen. We were seeing the reality of a high concept SF series on a television budget and relatively limited resources. So the real miracle is what we saw exceeded realistic expectations.

From the start Spock was meant to represent the fact that other races did serve in Starfleet even if we never got to see them in TOS. That said in "Journey To Babel" we finally did get to see some of the races who comprised the Federation and in "The Immunity Syndrome" we heard a clear reference to another Starfleet starship--the Intrepid--with an all Vulcan crew. So within its limitations TOS did try to show us more even though it can be argued a bit more might have been done.

It wasn't until TAS that we began to see other species aboard the Enterprise with Arex and M'ress as well as the alternate timeline Andorian Thelin from "Yesteryear" and other Federation species such as the avian historian Aurelian Loom Aleek-Om in "Yesteryear" and the Dramians in "Albatross." And later in TMP we saw even more aliens among the crew and Starfleet. Yet while this continued throughout the films humans were still clearly in the majority. Again there is the real world practical consideration of time and money and human characters likely being easier to identify with than exotic aliens.

The practice seen in the films was carried over into TNG and the rest although it might be argued it was scaled back a bit in regards to the Enterprise crew. Again understandable given the realities and constraints of television production.

But going back to TOS where this all started. Although not expressed onscreen The Making Of Star Trek does reference that starship crews were meant to be predominantly of one type. This was backed up in every episode of TOS and the one reference to an all Vulcan crew aboard the Intrepid. Of course the real reason was that it was a way to explain why we saw predominatly human personnel aboard the Enterprise.

But setting aside the realities of television production lets try looking at this with some real world perspective. If we were to indeed encounter alien intelligence in the future what sort of limitations would be involved in our interactions? How much could we interact once the communication issue has been solved? And thats just assuming that alien life was something remotely compatible with us rather than radically different.

Although Vulcans and humans seem very much alike (in broad terms) there are distinct physiological and cultural and environmental differences. It could well be that only certain individuals trained and/or accustomed to dealing with other races can coexist on an everyday basis. And this would apply to Andorians, Tellarites, Edoans, Aurelians and whatever else as well. Meanwhile there could be a limit to how much general populations could comfortably and realistically tolerate coexistence with others from other species.

So the idea of starship crews being comprised of mostly one type might actually make a measure of sense with occasional exceptions being allowed for. So while Spock and a handful of others have shown themselves to be quite comfortable working everyday alongside humans it could well be that aboard a Vulcan or Andorian (or whatever) manned starship there could be a few humans or other species sprinkled within that crew.


There could also be something else at play. And, again, we saw a glimpse of this in TOS--not all races seem inclined to go venturing off into space. Of course we only caught a glimpse of Argelius (re: "Wolf In The Fold") but the impression seemed to be that they were quite content to serve as a spaceport letting others come to them while they focused on their own (more or less) concerns. The same with Ardana (re: "The Cloud Minders"). Of the races we saw in "Journey To Babel" we never had any idea which, if any, were spacefaring. So at least some races could be interested primarily in trade and cultural exchange and have little interest in participating in more active functions like Starfleet. Federation membership might not even require participation in Starfleet. To that end it could partly answer why humans are so prominant in Starfleet (given our nature to be actively outward looking) alongside only a handful of similarly inclined races.


So the essential question is how truly realistic are multi-species crews and to what extent?

Thoughts anyone?
 
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I always figured that because of practical considerations (variations in environmental conditions, length of day, dietary requirements etc.), "mixing" crews would be minimized as much as possible.
 
I always figured that because of practical considerations (variations in environmental conditions, length of day, dietary requirements etc.), "mixing" crews would be minimized as much as possible.

I posted something similar about optimizing life support for efficiency the last time this question came around, but I do agree with W9's theory that given the huge number of various races encountered, ST does imply that few actually like space travel.
 
In our own world many of us like the idea of venturing into space, at least in principle, but how many of us would actually go even given the ease of how it's presented in Star Trek? In Trek space travel looks little different than us boarding a cruise ship or a jetliner. Certainly the economics of it seemed to have long been solved. Presently space travel is insanely expensive given the difficulties of escaping the Earth's gravity, relatively short distances (astronomically speaking) requiring days to weeks to months or even years in travel times as well as the enormous challenge of creating a suitable environment to sustain us for the duration, all primarily because of our limited technology. In Star Trek all those problems have been solved.

In our own world there are many who see no value whatsoever in space travel of any sort. How unlikely is it that at least some other species wouldn't be of similar mindset? After being faced with certain difficulties of space travel some races could simply give up and after enough time simply not be interested anymore.

In TOS we saw at least four races where they didn't appear to venture far beyond their own world: the Eminians, the Argelians, the Ardanans and the Melkot. The Eminians were said to have had space travel, but not ventured much beyond their own system. The Melkot could at least place a warning bouy at the edge of their system. And yet in both cases they were evidently aware of intelligent life elsewhere in the galaxy.
 
In Trek space travel looks little different than us boarding a cruise ship or a jetliner.

And even today, I bet the percentage of people who have actually flown/sailed to another continent (as a modern day equivalent to visiting another planet) is pretty low.
 
On the other hand, what kind of negative psychological impact would it have on a person to be the only one of your species on a starship? Especially if said species is radically different than the majority of the crew?
 
On the other hand, what kind of negative psychological impact would it have on a person to be the only one of your species on a starship? Especially if said species is radically different than the majority of the crew?
There is that. It's one perspective to contemplate what effect a few individuals (or one) might have on the majority, but also how it might feel being in the minority. Some would definitely adapt better than others.
 
In Trek space travel looks little different than us boarding a cruise ship or a jetliner.

And even today, I bet the percentage of people who have actually flown/sailed to another continent (as a modern day equivalent to visiting another planet) is pretty low.
Yeah there is always going to be a mix of people out in space. Tourists, military, business and wanderers.

Most folks might stick close to home but there will be immigrants who head out to other UFP worlds or colonies. Some worlds, like Earth, as the capitol of the UFP, might be very multicultural with a large population of immigrants who have brought elements of their culture them. So you might be eating Plomeek soup while sitting on cushion of Andorian silk while an Argelian dancer moves to the rhythm of an Orion band.

When someone joins Starfleet they're probably confronted by a lot of diversity. Even if someone is the same species they might have different backgrounds. A guy from a colony world will be different from someone from one of the core worlds. Eventually their "culture" will be Starfleet. Especially for the lifers we see in the series and films.
 
Are folks like Ardanans and Argelians really "races" or "species" - or just communities of assorted near-humans who have opted to settle on a particular planet? If the latter, then any Argelian or Ardanan leaving the planet would technically cease to be Argelian or Ardanan and merely revert back to his or her species identity. It would hold true by default that all Argelians are homebodies, then.

As for TOS, we only saw two starship crews to any level of statistical significance - those of the Enterprise and, posthumously, the Defiant. Admittedly the bridge of the Lexington also sported 100% humans or humaniforms, and then there's the Intrepid... But we could rather easily argue that nearly-monospecies crews are actually rare even in the TOS era, and for example Decker or Tracey had (and lost) a biologically diverse crew.

Timo Saloniemi
 
TAS basically says that there were other species aboard the Enterprise besides Spock, unless we're to believe that Starfleet just suddenly started adding personnel of other species. And TMP and the other films seem to imply that as well given TAS and the films were supposedly showing us things TOS couldn't afford to show us.

"The Immunity Syndrome" makes a point of establishing a Starfleet starship with an all Vulcan crew. So it seems to be that TOS was doing what they could to reaffirm the intent.

But the question still stands: how realistic is it to expect truly diverse multi-species crews? Or is what we saw on TOS more plausible and ship crews would more likely be all or predominatly of one type?
 
Another possible reason, although I have no facts to back up this idea, is that humans might be the single largest species population in the federation. Not a majority overall but human populations outnumber any other single race. We were constantly seeing and hearing about human colonies, including colonies humans started pre-federation, yet the other species almost always only had their homeworld

Enterprise changed this a bit as it got into more depth regarding vulcans and andorians and showed they both had multiple systems under their control or at least influence pre-federation
 
William Rotsler's Star Trek II Biographies had a ship assignment in Kirk's past where each alien species made up about 20% of the crew, a more even mix than what we saw on TOS. And it led to more crew conflict, due to such things as atmospheric conditions, length of day, or even the body odor of different species. After that, Starfleet instituted a policy that each ship would have at least a 70% majority of a single species.*

*Relating from memory as I'm away for the holidays and I don't have my copy handy... :)
 
Perhaps the fact that Spock was half human made it easier for him to function on a ship full of humans, where a full Vulcan may not have been able to. I would imagine that on a ship optimized for humans, the atmosphere would probably be much thicker and colder, and the gravity lower than a Vulcan would be used to.
 
Perhaps the fact that Spock was half human made it easier for him to function on a ship full of humans, where a full Vulcan may not have been able to. I would imagine that on a ship optimized for humans, the atmosphere would probably be much thicker and colder, and the gravity lower than a Vulcan would be used to.
One of the early novels had Kirk on a Romulan ship. It wasn't easy for Kirk though. He wasn't strong enough to turn on the taps and the minimum setting on the shower was too hot for him. Its funny to see things from the alien point of view and have a human fit in.

Realisticaly Spock, T'Pol. Worf would be breaking things all over the place in a starship where instruments are tuned for humans.
 
how realistic is it to expect truly diverse multi-species crews?

Today, many armies freely admit people of foreign origin or even current foreign standing: it's great to be able to show how inclusive, easygoing and generally excellent you are, and how advantageous it would be for all foreigners to betray their native nations and join X instead.

The situation in Trek is not particularly different. "Aliens" are just foreigners, with minimal biological needs in comparison with the cultural and personal needs of today's or Trek's humans or "humans". An Andorian, a Tellarite or even a Horta can be accommodated without any real engineering effort or adjustment in training procedures. And the UFP is all for the "soft kill" of inviting foreigners to defect and join.

Realisticaly Spock, T'Pol. Worf would be breaking things all over the place in a starship where instruments are tuned for humans.

Actually, Klingons don't appear to be any stronger than the average human, either in terms of dialogue or in terms of onscreen performance. Vulcans in turn are quoted as having superior strength, even quantified as "three times the human strength" in DS9 "Take Me In, uh, Out To the Holosuite" - yet the only times this really shows is when the half-Vulcan Spock defeats Kirk in TOS, throws Klingons around like ragdolls in ST3, or when Romulans perform incredible feats of strength (and strength of feet) in ST'09.

Timo Saloniemi
 
But the question still stands: how realistic is it to expect truly diverse multi-species crews?
That depends on whether we're talking about actual reality or Trek reality. The defining difference being that in Trek reality a very high number of intelligent extraterrestrial species are quite comfortable in an Earth-normal environment, while in actual reality it's likely that very few (or none) would be.
 
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I always figured that because of practical considerations (variations in environmental conditions, length of day, dietary requirements etc.), "mixing" crews would be minimized as much as possible.

That is an interesting idea. If the basic starship technology allowed for slight modifications in food replication, environment, etc., it would easily support one species crews--if necessary.
 
Are folks like Ardanans and Argelians really "races" or "species" - or just communities of assorted near-humans who have opted to settle on a particular planet? If the latter, then any Argelian or Ardanan leaving the planet would technically cease to be Argelian or Ardanan and merely revert back to his or her species identity. It would hold true by default that all Argelians are homebodies, then.

Isn't that like arguing that a Canadian who leaves Canada 'reverts' back to being English (or French)?
 
Depends. Ardana appeared to be a planet with two towns, Uptown (Stratos) and Downtown (the Troglyte mines). It's not a good analogy for a "nation", and we might rather speak of a person leaving the Toronto Rotary Club and reverting back to being an average Canadian.

Similarly, Argelius the planet was reputed to be a famous free port and entertainment center - which again isn't a good analogy for Canada, but rather for something more compact like Victoria Island, which one can leave and become a regular Canadian.

Trek rather seldom shows us worlds that actually match Earth in diversity and "nation-ness". The extremely compact, single-purpose locations we see are probably best treated as colonies or like settlements - quite possibly settled by Earthlings if the inhabitants look like humans.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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