MU Dukat

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Most of the characters we saw in the MU were evil/bad counterparts of good guy/gals in our universe. Did they ever show any bad guys in our Universe in the MU. I could imagine a good MU Dukat, Kai Winn, Weyoun, Female Founder...ect. What what that have been like to have seen them being a force for good in the MU ???

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

I've always wondered about that, myself! But considering MU Garak wasn't exactly a good guy...I don't know that we could say MU Dukat would be likely to be any better. (I don't consider canon-universe Garak "good"...ambiguous at best.)

But I've done some writing on an AU Dukat that goes a VERY different direction, and man...it's pretty interesting! In Dukat's case it's particularly compelling to write because I think the canon-U Dukat really could've chosen either way--and something tells me he would be either great or ignoble: nothing in between.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Cardassians (and Klingons) seem pretty much the same in the MU as in the RU. So I doubt the mirror Dukat would be any different.

 

[Marie1]

It'd be awesome if MU Dukat was this super nice guy who still had his family all together and didn't have a bunch of Bajoran "comfort" slaves and wasn't been on genocide.

Then we could all say look! Amazing!

 

[Jono]

Given that the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance freed Bajor fro Terran oppression and that there are often weird parrallel between the two universes I wouldn't be surprised if there was an Indentant Dukat that pre-dated Kira. Maybe a man that was widely celebrated on Bajor, whose figure adorns many a statue across the planet.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Cardassians (and Klingons) seem pretty much the same in the MU as in the RU. So I doubt the mirror Dukat would be any different.

I kind of thought MU Worf was different than RU Worf.

 

[2 of 10]

I think the whole MU was devoted to all the characters being mirror images of the RU. That being said, logic would dictate that all the villians
in the RU, would be the 180 degrees oppisite of their MU counterparts. I for one think it would have been cool for Dukat being the good guy and Odo being the bad guy...Any thoughts???

 

[Astraea]

Cardassians (and Klingons) seem pretty much the same in the MU as in the RU. So I doubt the mirror Dukat would be any different.

I kind of thought MU Worf was different than RU Worf.

And the mirror Garak is loads different from the RU Garak, and some of the mirror characters introduced in the TrekLit anthologies behave in vastly different ways. But the main thing, I think, is that RU Cardassians and Klingons usually act as antagonists to the main Trek cast, and, because they form a big chunk of the Alliance, are still going to be acting as antagonists to most of the "good" characters (i.e. the ones who are part of the Terran rebellion.) There's only two examples I can think of where there's a Cardassian or Klingon on the side of the rebellion (and both are from TrekLit, and one's only part-Klingon.) So the odds are that Dukat's still going to be evil.

I would tend to speculate that there was an Intendant Dukat before Kira, and that Kira assassinated him during her climb to power; I can't really see a cuddly Dukat helping the rebels in the MU - at least, not that MU. (In one of the Myriad Universe compliations, there was a good Dukat, but he exists in an alternate universe that is not the Mirror Universe from "Crossover," "Through the Looking Glass," et al.)

Note that logic does not necessarily dictate that the MU counterpart must be 180 degrees from their RU counterpart. O'Brien still likes tinkering with things, after all, mirror Odo seems to have the same need for order as RU Odo, etc.

I think we already have seen a mirror Weyoun of sorts: the defective Weyoun in "Treachery, Faith, and the Great River." We're not likely to see a real one, as the wormhole isn't open in the MU (yet). But a mirror Winn might be interesting, and I'd definitely like to see a mirror Ziyal.

 

[iguana_tonante]

I think the whole MU was devoted to all the characters being mirror images of the RU. That being said, logic would dictate that all the villians
in the RU, would be the 180 degrees oppisite of their MU counterparts. I for one think it would have been cool for Dukat being the good guy and Odo being the bad guy...Any thoughts???

Actually, I think that in the MU, everybody is bad. Or better, everything is so wicked and screwed up that it won't matter if you are good or bad, things will only get worst. The opposite of the usual Star Trek universe, when no matter the odds at the ends the good guys always win.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Cardassians (and Klingons) seem pretty much the same in the MU as in the RU. So I doubt the mirror Dukat would be any different.

I kind of thought MU Worf was different than RU Worf.

Probably that was because MU Worf was raised by Klingons. If RU Worf had grown up in the Empire, he might have turned out the same way.

As for Garak: how was his mirror counterpart *really* different?

 

[Astraea]

He lacked subtlety. Andrew J. Robinson said he really hated the mirror Garak because he saw him as nothing like the real Garak. I think he phrased it as something like "the MU Garak is just another Cardassian thug. RU Garak is all subtext. MU Garak has no subtext."

 

[-Brett-]

Cardassians (and Klingons) seem pretty much the same in the MU as in the RU. So I doubt the mirror Dukat would be any different.

I kind of thought MU Worf was different than RU Worf.

Probably that was because MU Worf was raised by Klingons. If RU Worf had grown up in the Empire, he might have turned out the same way.

As for Garak: how was his mirror counterpart *really* different?

Mirror Garak was just a simple thug. Regular Garak might have been morally ambiguous, but he could hardly be called either simple or a thug.

 

[Darth_Pazuzu]

He lacked subtlety. Andrew J. Robinson said he really hated the mirror Garak because he saw him as nothing like the real Garak. I think he phrased it as something like "the MU Garak is just another Cardassian thug. RU Garak is all subtext. MU Garak has no subtext."

But that's what makes the MU Garak so darn funny, the fact that (at least to a degree) he's like this more straightforward, literal-minded version of our Garak! By which I mean that our Garak may claim to be "plain and simple," but the MU Garak is really, really simple!

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Cardassians (and Klingons) seem pretty much the same in the MU as in the RU. So I doubt the mirror Dukat would be any different.

I kind of thought MU Worf was different than RU Worf.

And the mirror Garak is loads different from the RU Garak, and some of the mirror characters introduced in the TrekLit anthologies behave in vastly different ways. But the main thing, I think, is that RU Cardassians and Klingons usually act as antagonists to the main Trek cast, and, because they form a big chunk of the Alliance, are still going to be acting as antagonists to most of the "good" characters (i.e. the ones who are part of the Terran rebellion.) There's only two examples I can think of where there's a Cardassian or Klingon on the side of the rebellion (and both are from TrekLit, and one's only part-Klingon.) So the odds are that Dukat's still going to be evil.

I would tend to speculate that there was an Intendant Dukat before Kira, and that Kira assassinated him during her climb to power; I can't really see a cuddly Dukat helping the rebels in the MU - at least, not that MU. (In one of the Myriad Universe compliations, there was a good Dukat, but he exists in an alternate universe that is not the Mirror Universe from "Crossover," "Through the Looking Glass," et al.)

Note that logic does not necessarily dictate that the MU counterpart must be 180 degrees from their RU counterpart. O'Brien still likes tinkering with things, after all, mirror Odo seems to have the same need for order as RU Odo, etc.

I think we already have seen a mirror Weyoun of sorts: the defective Weyoun in "Treachery, Faith, and the Great River." We're not likely to see a real one, as the wormhole isn't open in the MU (yet). But a mirror Winn might be interesting, and I'd definitely like to see a mirror Ziyal.

Wait which Myriad Universe story has a good Dukat?

 

[Aquehonga]

I imagine MU Dukat being someone very similar to Our Universe's Captain Kirk.

MU Dukat is against the tyranny & brutality the Cardassians & Klingons of his universe became since the fall & their defeat of the Earth Empire (thanks to Goatee-Spock's influence by OU's Kirk!)

The MU “Dominion” is a GQ equivalent of OU's UFP.

MU Winn is probably an Alliance Admiral or General & vicious to Terrans & Vulcans, & tight with Regent Worf & whoever RW's Cardassian counterpart is.

 

[nx1701g]

One of the most interesting MU Dukats comes from a short story written in the Myriad Universes short story line. Dukat was leading a resistance against the Federation based on the teachings of Khan. He was also married to Kira.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

One of the most interesting MU Dukats comes from a short story written in the Myriad Universes short story line. Dukat was leading a resistance against the Federation based on the teachings of Khan. He was also married to Kira.

Oh yeah, that was weird actually seeing her broken up about it when he got into trouble! But you know, in some weird way it harkened back to canon-universe Dukat claiming their destinies were intertwined...I guess if AU Dukat was a good guy, that could well happen if they were thrown together.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

One of the most interesting MU Dukats comes from a short story written in the Myriad Universes short story line. Dukat was leading a resistance against the Federation based on the teachings of Khan. He was also married to Kira.

Actually, there was no Federation in that universe. It was a human Empire, and *that* was what was based on Khan (Dukat obviously would have nothing to do with that).

As for Dukat, here is how they play him in the MU novels:

Spoiler: MU

pretty much the same as the RU

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[nx1701g]

^ Well they called it the Khanate but semantics I didn't want to confuse people who may not have read the story by calling it the Khanate.

 

[Astraea]

Wait which Myriad Universe story has a good Dukat?

IIRC, it was "Seeds of Dissent," in Infinity's Prism.