Does anyone know why that Black smoke thing in season two was stopped in its tracks when Echo stared it down, and yet later he is killed by it? I dont get it.
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The way I took it was that the first time, it was just checking him out. Pictures flashed in the smoke--pictures from his past. I took this to mean that it was playing back his past or his memories. It was like checking out who he was, or reading his "time line."
The second time, it came back to judge him. It took the form of his brother and asked him to repent. He refused. He stood up to it and declared, "I have not sinned!" (a great moment, I thought).
It had judged him, and found him guilty. Since he would not repent, it punished him.
The second time, it came back to judge him. It took the form of his brother and asked him to repent. He refused. He stood up to it and declared, "I have not sinned!" (a great moment, I thought).
It had judged him, and found him guilty. Since he would not repent, it punished him.
Ahh, that makes since. I have such a hard time picking out this whole theme symbolism thing, it is like an english class. But a question, the smoke thing took the form of his brother? and if so why didnt Echo repent, he obviously feels sorry for geting his brother killed?
I have an issue with this. What gives Lostzilla the right to judge? And what are the guidelines it uses?
After rewatching the show from the beginning recently I was struck by this episode again. Mainly because I really like the Eko character.
So if we go back a little further, the island tells Locke to save Eko in the cave. Why? So he can be judged? Why not simply do it while he's in the cave. If he's worthy of saving, then have Locke save him. If not, he's polar bear fodder.
Does this mean that the Island and Lostzilla operate independent of each other?
Perhaps the 'Lostzilla' is God, in the old testament the Israelites saw a tall pillar of black smoke (Exodus 14:19). Maybe a connection?
Lostzilla doesn't necessarily have the "right" to do anything. It might just be acting in its self-interest, according to programming, or on a whim.
I see it as a character and not some sort of overarching metaphor. I'm still wondering if the island might be some form of alien consciousness, a la Solaris, that plopped down in the Pacific eons ago and has been existing there - and scuttling around in spacetime to keep hidden from the planet's inhabitants as much as possible - and Lostzilla is some extension of that consciousness, allowing it to communicate with humans to whatever extent possible, and defend itself.
The frozen donkey wheel could be some sort of control collar, allowing humans to manipulate the island's inherent abilities.
I see it as a character and not some sort of overarching metaphor. I'm still wondering if the island might be some form of alien consciousness, a la Solaris, that plopped down in the Pacific eons ago and has been existing there - and scuttling around in spacetime to keep hidden from the planet's inhabitants as much as possible - and Lostzilla is some extension of that consciousness, allowing it to communicate with humans to whatever extent possible, and defend itself.
The frozen donkey wheel could be some sort of control collar, allowing humans to manipulate the island's inherent abilities.
I see Lostzilla as the same as the woman (played by Fionnula Flanagan) in the Desmond flashback episode. It's an expression of the universe "course correcting" somehow. Maybe all the time traveling that the island can do--and all the screwing with timelines--has created Lostzilla and it appears to people in various forms (Walt talking backwards, Jack/Claire's Dad, Eko's brother, Hurley's imaginary friend, etc). It manifests something from people's consciousness. Maybe it judges them, maybe it's just showing people what they think of themselves. Maybe Eko judged himself; he was deeply religious, despite-- or maybe because of--what he had done and seen. Maybe it was his own guilt or disapproval coming back at him.
One thing that bothers me is the way that the Island or fate---whatever---seems to kill characters off just as they have come full-circle. Boone is finally free of his sister---gets killed. Shannon is finally not wanting to depend on others---gets killed. Charlie finally achieves inner peace and finds a purpose---gets killed.
What troubles me though, is why Lostzilla attacked--but didn't kill--evil Keamy and his men. He shot Ben's adopted daughter and "broke the rules." Clearly not a nice bunch of guys. So Ben unleashes Smokey--but in the next episode, we see that they survived--at least most of them. Why kill Eko but let them live?
That doesn't seem in keeping with Lostzilla's other appearances.
One thing that bothers me is the way that the Island or fate---whatever---seems to kill characters off just as they have come full-circle. Boone is finally free of his sister---gets killed. Shannon is finally not wanting to depend on others---gets killed. Charlie finally achieves inner peace and finds a purpose---gets killed.
What troubles me though, is why Lostzilla attacked--but didn't kill--evil Keamy and his men. He shot Ben's adopted daughter and "broke the rules." Clearly not a nice bunch of guys. So Ben unleashes Smokey--but in the next episode, we see that they survived--at least most of them. Why kill Eko but let them live?
That doesn't seem in keeping with Lostzilla's other appearances.
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