Movies That Hate You: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

[Saito S]

Meh. I agree with much of what's been posted already who are giving this review a thumbs down. I think the author makes some valid points, but overstates his case. And I did poke around some of his other Trek reviews as well, out of curiosity... I am not impressed.

Plus! One thing that has been missed: while I agree with the general sentiment that the Klingon language scene was ill-advised (I can't lie, though: it made me lol), he forgets one important factor. Near the end of the movie, after Spock points out that they are able to trace the fuel emissions from Chang's BoP, it's Uhura who suggests using "all that equipment we're carrying to catalog gaseous anomalies", since "the thing's gotta have a tailpipe!" The "OHSHI-" look shared between Kirk and Spock immediately following her first line there suggests that she did indeed come up with an idea that they hadn't hit upon, at least not yet. So one could speculate that if not for Uhura, perhaps the Ent-A would have been destroyed, the Federation President killed, and the Feds would be at war with the Klingons.

Worf, LaForge, Sisko, Tuvok ...

Uhhh, you caught my attention when you started at LaForge on...

To call Worf a black man, is to call Martok, Duras, Gowron, and those sisters who showed cleavage (I forget their names) 'white.'

Granted Banana Torres was obviously a Latin chick who was half-Klingon...that would be different.

Uh... I see no reason why either Michael Dorn as Worf or Tim Russ as Tuvok should be excluded from "counting".

For one thing, my impression from the article was that this was as much about minority/female actors as it was about minority/female (i.e., human) characters.
And regardless of what the article linked in the OP meant to get across... this discussion has to be as much (if not much MORE) about actors than characters, doesn't it? This is sci-fi, and more specifically, Trek. Having a bunch of aliens around is a given. Doesn't make sense to me to take the stance that it's only helping to solve Hollywood's inequality problems (and said problems DO exist; I don't want anyone misinterpreting me here) if a minority or woman gets to play a human character. What matters is the substance of the role, the type of character, etc.

You're lying. There was no black main character on Enterprise.

The sad part is that Mayweather was one of the best characters in the show... on those rare occasions where he was allowed to do anything.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

Uh... I see no reason why either Michael Dorn as Worf or Tim Russ as Tuvok should be excluded from "counting".

For one thing, my impression from the article was that this was as much about minority/female actors as it was about minority/female (i.e., human) characters.
And regardless of what the article linked in the OP meant to get across... this discussion has to be as much (if not much MORE) about actors than characters, doesn't it? This is sci-fi, and more specifically, Trek. Having a bunch of aliens around is a given. Doesn't make sense to me to take the stance that it's only helping to solve Hollywood's inequality problems (and said problems DO exist; I don't want anyone misinterpreting me here) if a minority or woman gets to play a human character. What matters is the substance of the role, the type of character, etc.

Now that you mentioned it, I do recall figuring that Vorik, the Vulcan from VOY was a white-Jewish Vulcan because the actor was, well, white-Jewish. (Similar to what TOS Spock was; although, nuSpock would possibly be half-Italian/half-English(based on Ben Cross' Sarek) or...)

The sad part is that Mayweather was one of the best characters in the show... on those rare occasions where he was allowed to do anything.

Yeah, they fucked up there...